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MAS B777 Etops

Sun Aug 04, 2002 5:35 pm

MAS' B777 are ETOPS certified for how many minutes? can they do transpacific with that a/c?
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Sun Aug 04, 2002 7:08 pm

Lets just say that they flew non-stop from SEA to KUL during the delivery. Also the sector from Dubai - Newark (MH 90) is almost 14 hours long. So can they do trans-Pacific? I would think so...
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Sun Aug 04, 2002 7:19 pm

By the way, Malaysia Airlines' 777-200s were christened "Long-Ranger", but they have since taken that decal off. Dunno why. I have flown the MAS 777s a few times... absolute comfort.
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Sun Aug 04, 2002 8:57 pm

I would assume their Boeing 777-2H6ERs operate the usual 180mins ETOPS if applicable.
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Sun Aug 04, 2002 10:21 pm

Ryanair!!!:

The SEA-KUL flight was not a delivery flight. It was a Boeing demo round-the-world flight using an aircraft that would soon be delivered to MAS. The plane flew eastbound to KUL via the Atlantic and eastbound back to SEA via the Pacific.
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Sun Aug 04, 2002 10:33 pm

Ryanair!!!

ETOPS of the airline is not taken into account on delivery flights. SQ's B772ERS fly direct from Seattle too.
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Mon Aug 05, 2002 12:04 am

so the super rangers are 180 minutes certified ? if yes they currently dont utilise it do they? i was thinking wouldnt it be good if they deploy this a/c to fly to Vancouver? I think there is a demand for flights to YVR from south east asia or east asia?
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Mon Aug 05, 2002 12:22 am

There are demands from East Asia to Vancouver, especially from Hong Kong. However, there are insufficient demand from Malaysia to Vancouver to generate a direct flight. Other airlines that operate indirectly to Vancouver includes SIA, Cathay Pacific, Eva Air, China Airlines, JAL, Korean Air etc. With so many options to choose from, MAS can't really compete with these airlines that offer better connections/freqeuncies than MAS.

If they manage to get fifth freedom rights at Hong Kong, which I doubt they will, then it would be a good idea to operate KUL-HKG-YVR. Their previous attempt to serve Vancouver was a failure was due to the fact that the Taiwanese authorities refused to give MAS fifth freedom rights at Taipei for Taipei-Vancouver sector.

I spoke to the inflight supervisor recently and he told me that MAS will not expand much in the Americas. They are looking at new stopovers to New York, with Berlin, Copenhagen, Stockholm and Munich being considered as the stopover city, apart from Dubai. If they will launch a new destination in the Americas, his best bet would be San Francisco. As far as I know, MAS did announced its intention to serve SFO, but the 1997 economy crisis came in. Obtaining fifth freedom rights at key cities is also difficult.

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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Mon Aug 05, 2002 12:30 am

Hmm... regarding that SEA - KUL thingie, I got it from one of their Going Places inflight mags from some years ago. Could be wrong then...

Anyway, I am sure the "Long-Rangers" can do a trans-Pacific flight anytime.
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Mon Aug 05, 2002 4:13 am

Ryan: weren't they called "World Rangers"? Somehow "Long Rangers doesn't ring a bell with me....
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Mon Aug 05, 2002 4:26 am

Ryan is correct. It is (or was) called the Long Rangers.
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Mon Aug 05, 2002 4:52 am

Hi,

I flew on 9M-MRA once in 1998. This aircraft was the one that did the SEA-KUL non-stop, and they showed a documentary of the record breaking flight onboard.

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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Mon Aug 05, 2002 8:25 am

I think you would find that the Boeing 777-2H6ERs are called the "Super Rangers" by MAS...
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Mon Aug 05, 2002 11:38 am

So we are ALL wrong then! Hahahaha... "Super Rangers" it is then... Anyway, the whole purpose of this thread was to determine whether the "Super-Long-Rangers" could do a trans-Pacific flight right?

Seriously, were they called "Super Rangers"? I thought "Long Rangers" sounded more like it...

Whatever it is, I think they should let the decal stay on. Just like SQ's Celestars, Jubilees, Big / Megatops, it allows the public to relate better to the planes they fly on. Don't you think so?

I thought of the following names for MH's aircraft...

747-400 (Big Daddy)
777-200 (Long Ranger... no change there)
A330-300 (Kak Mas {Golden Sister})
737-400 (Baby Bobby)

I shall leave the Fokker 50s and DHC Twin Otters out of this.
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Mon Aug 05, 2002 1:49 pm

yeh the reason of this topic is to determine whether the SUPER rangers have eTOPS 180 minute certification?!
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Mon Aug 05, 2002 2:52 pm

We'll make the 773ER the "Super-Long-World-Ranger" if they get them! As far as decals go I guess it makes sense from a marketing and brand identity standpoint, but most of them are cheesy. I hope SQ doesn't call the A380 "Gigatop" or something.

 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Mon Aug 05, 2002 6:59 pm

Or what about 100%top? *wink*
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Tue Aug 06, 2002 2:57 am

Well, Mas777 is correct. According to the 1997 Annual Report, the B777 was called a Super Ranger by MAS. But the Super Ranger reference disappeared in the 1998 Annual Report.
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Tue Aug 06, 2002 7:57 am

I think the 777 was christened the Super Ranger as part of a plan to revamp its corporate livery. At about this time, names also started appearing in earnest across the 747 fleet (each named after a state capital in Malaysia). Malaysia Airlines was toying with the idea of repainting their aircraft in a ultramarine blue livery with the Malaysian crescent and 14-pointed star in gold.

All these plans were scrapped as MAS balance sheets slipped into the red and (as we all know) continued to slide deeper into the red.

I think it will be nice to name MAS' aircraft. In tandem with KLMs fleet (  Smile ) my suggestion would to perhaps name each 747 and 777 after a long-haul destination, each A330 after a regional city, each 737 after Malaysian towns, rivers and natural landmarks, each F50 after a local flower and each Twin Otter after a local animal or similar.

ps... Personally, I don't like travelling on aircraft named after dead people - call me superstitious...
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Tue Aug 06, 2002 8:43 am

Ryan, Ryan, Ryan.... what could you possibly be talking about?!?

So, I guess no one here knows about their ETOPS, huh?
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Tue Aug 06, 2002 9:24 am

Sorry, I don't know for certain if MAS has 180-minute ETOPS. But I think I know what Ryan's 100%top refers to. Since Ex_SQer said he hoped SQ wouldn't call the A380 "Gigatop", Ryan suggested that it could be called 100%top, because the A380 is a full double-decker. Am I right, Ryan?
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Tue Aug 06, 2002 9:41 am

Dynkrisolo: Actually that was a private joke between Ryan and myself. You need to be a member of our club to understand the reference! Wanna join our club?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Tue Aug 06, 2002 2:16 pm

How many minutes of ETOPS is required to fly trans-Atlantic? MAS operate their B777 on the DXB-EWR route, which overfly the Atlantic. And also, MAS used to operate B777 on the KUL-JNB route, which overfly the Indian Ocean. Is ETOPS 120 sufficient for all these routes?
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Tue Aug 06, 2002 2:54 pm

Anyone knows why MH chose DXB instead of some European city as the stop-over point enroute to EWR?

Ryan suggested that it could be called 100%top, because the A380 is a full double-decker

Yeah....makes alot of sense...can't fault that explaination  Wink/being sarcastic
I think christening SQ's A380 "chub-top" would be appropriate too...
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:21 pm

Asked MAS B777 Engineer in Kuala Lumpur a few days ago and he advised they have 180 ETOPS.
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:25 pm

There was a period they flew the A330s to Johannesburg as well. Actually their A330s reach far and wide with the likes of Istanbul, Perth, Brisbane, Fukuoka, Beijing, ... but the confuiguration is anything but long haul! Nil ptvs (even for the premium classes) and tight pitch for J and Y Class. Yucks!

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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Wed Aug 07, 2002 7:53 am

MAS operated the A330 to Madrid at one-point.

MAS chose to operate via Dubai into Newark as it offered the only nonstop service from Dubai to NY at the time (not sure if Emirates has started its own service) - so in terms of a niche market - MAS had it pretty good pre-Sept 11th. Their DXB-EWR sectors were pretty well-booked I understand. Not too sure what the state of play is now.

Also heard that MAS was planning a second routing into Newark via Europe - but you know MAS - rumours, rumours, rumours...
 
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Across The Atlantic

Wed Aug 07, 2002 8:30 am

Someone asked what ETOPS is required to cross the Atlantic.

You recall that some aircraft were/are approved for 138 minutes? Supposedly that figure was chosen to eliminate the last little triangle of prohibited territory in the North Atlantic. In other words 120 minutes is enough as long as you can avoid that one little bit of ocean.
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:31 am

The service to EWR is indeed hot! It is very well demanded and i was supposed to be on MH 90 last Thurs... but i cancelled the trip because of all the rumours of terrorist attacks.

My travel agent did tell me to decide because it would be hard to get the seats again once I cancelled.

If it wasn't popular, would they have reinstated the flights?

Jesus! the A330 all the way to Madrid? What an uncomfortable way to fly! I didn't know they flew to Madrid... There were indeed rumours to fly to EWR via AMS due to obvious tie ups with KLM. I wonder what became of the talks?
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Wed Aug 07, 2002 11:50 am

They once flew to MAD via DXB and IST.
 
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RE: MAS B777 Etops

Wed Aug 07, 2002 2:15 pm

Mas777 perhaps KLM should do what BWIA did put the zip code of their caribbean destinations as part of the a/c registrations.
9Y-GEO= Guyana
9Y-POS= Trinidad
9Y-TAB= Tobago
9Y-BGI = Barbados
9Y-ANU= Antigua
9Y-KIN = Jamaica

Although this is nice not much people know this I think that the airline should name the jets Warmth of Trinidad (9Y-POS) as the airline motto is sharing our warmth with the world. Before the current registration jets were called Sunjet Barbados which I found quite appropriate.
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