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My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:21 pm

hey, i recently flew back from delhi, and had another opportunity to fly on the IL-62. It was a fantastic experience, and one thing really stood out from other planes that i had flown on in the past, and that was the extremely quiet take off.
During the initial phase of acceleration, the engines whistle, but about 1/3rd-1/2 way down the runway, and before rotation, the sound almost becomes 0!!!
all that i heard was the sound of the air passing by from the outside and no engine noise! It remained this way untill we were quite high up, and a minute or so before taking a more horizontal climb angle!
I know my ears wernt going funny on me, so that wasnt the problem.
Has the quietness during take off got something to do with the rear mounted engines? i was sitting towards the front of the plane.
I have flown on many other aircraft and the IL-62 on many occasions, and its always something that stands out from other experiences!
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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:24 pm

I forgot to mention that the flight was quite noisy- one of, it not the noisiest planes i have ever flown on.
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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:59 pm

If you're sitting at the front of an aircraft with rear-mounted engines, the noise is very much reduced. Try the front seat on an MD-80. Very peaceful.
 
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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Tue Aug 06, 2002 7:49 pm

And now stand at the side of that runway as it roars past. Then you'll know a noisy aircraft such as the Il-62  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Tue Aug 06, 2002 11:15 pm

You confuse me now, the takeoff was the quietest you've had, but the flight the noisiest?

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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Tue Aug 06, 2002 11:21 pm

Hi
i have flown the IL62 about 20 times (between 1974-1988). The take off is damn noisy. Though i loved it!
The IL62 is a bit overpowered for having 4 X 12 Tons thrust engines. If you sit in the last rows you will know what flying means....

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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Wed Aug 07, 2002 7:42 am

Riding in the back of an IL-62 is the only thing which is worse than the back of a DC-9.

In my country I could find at least fifty laws which would forbid me to take a seat in the back of an IL-62. And sure even more laws would prohibit transportation of sheep, pigs, cows, turtles or any other living creatures in the back of an IL-62.

I agree with Amir. In the back of an IL-62 you really feel like being involved with some hefty machinery. It's awesome. Quite the opposite of hearing the air whistle around the nose of a MD-80. You certainly hear no air whistling in the back of an IL-62. In fact you don't hear much during the next few days.
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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Wed Aug 07, 2002 8:11 am

Hi
i have flown the IL62 about 20 times (between 1974-1988). The take off is damn noisy. Though i loved it!
The IL62 is a bit overpowered for having 4 X 12 Tons thrust engines. If you sit in the last rows you will know what flying means....

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what???

everything I have ever heard about the IL-62 is that it is UNDERpowered, not overpowered. In fact, I have heard it said that the early versions can not climb out on 3 engines....
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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Wed Aug 07, 2002 2:10 pm

Hi Brons2,

i can't tell if the IL62 can climp with 3 engines, however i think is is a must for a commercial jet since one engine can get out of order. The weak point with the IL62 are the aerodynamics. Compare it with a 707. Both have similar max. take off weights about 153 tons. The 707 has (in average!) engines with about 8,5-9 Tons thrust compared to the 12 tons thrust of the IL62. But nevertheless the 707 has better aerodynamics.

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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Wed Aug 07, 2002 2:24 pm

I remember flying on a 767-300ER, and the climb power setting seems very quiet.
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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Wed Aug 07, 2002 3:55 pm

However, the VC10 (on which the IL62 is based) is considerably quieter for its pax ... though again if you're standing outside the noise of four RR Conways at full takeoff power is memorable to say the least!  Big grin

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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Wed Aug 07, 2002 5:34 pm

Hi Guys ,

I live in Delhi , right under the approach path for IGIA .Believe me , you know when a Russian airliner is coming in to land  Smile/happy/getting dizzy , applicable only to the earlier models . Aeroflot operates the IL 86 and the IL 96 on Moscow-Delhi routes (used to atleast a while back , I see their A310's now) and they are pretty quiet aircrafts and damn good looking as well. Think the IL 62 is operated by Uzbek air and some of the other CIS states . Please , absolutely non intentions of starting an eastern aircraft Vs Western aircraft war here. As long as the thing flies and is not a bird or superman , I like it  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Wed Aug 07, 2002 6:01 pm

I love the IL-62!
I've flown on Cubana's (CU-T1283) last summer. I love that 'whistle' sound on the taxi way.
I've sat in the front and takeoff was very silent.
Hearing that plane land was very noisy.
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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Wed Aug 07, 2002 8:08 pm

Some conflicting views here, but for me it was a very quiet take off. Indian flyboy mentioned uzbekistan airways use it to delhi, and that is the airline i flew on, it was a very short flight of 2 hours and 30 mins, and the plane was not full. It was also at about 2am so maybe there was some precautions taken to avoid noise pollution.

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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:04 am

Hi There ,

Me again , Ammunition , I don't think there are any noise abatement laws in place in India , We have had some aircrafts coming in real low at about 4:00 AM and making sure everybody got an early morning . The interiors of the IL 62 may be actually very quiet . Like some of the other posts suggest , it would have definitely made a difference , you sitting way in front.

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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:56 am

My only memory of an IL-62M goes back to 1993, when I flew an IL-62-opereated Aeroflot flight out of SFO. This was in January. Take-off was like a rocket - the plane left the runway at an angle much like a 757. I didn't find it particularly quiet, but I WAS sitting right next to the port engine pod.

Early IL-62s were powered by Kuznetsov turbofans, which are not known for either reliability or efficiency. NK-4-powered IL-62s had problems with uncontained engine failure, and there were a few horrific crashes as a result of that sort of incident. Amazingly, a derivative of this same engine, the NK-86, now powers the IL-86, which is quite under-powered and inefficient. I'd have thought some sort of Soloviev turbofan would have been used, perhaps an uprated version of the D-30KU on the IL-62M and IL-76, because of its better design, greater thrust and efficiency. I'm fairly certain Soloviev-powered IL-62Ms and MKs can take off on three engines, but who knows about the earlier types? I don't think any Kuznetsov-powered IL-62s are still in service today.
 
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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Thu Aug 08, 2002 1:12 am

Hi IL96,

Could you confirm if Aeroflot is operating the IL86/96 on the Moscow Delhi sector or are they sticking to A310's . I sure miss those graceful birds. You are right about the soloviev , the Indian Airforce IL76's use these engines , D30-KP-1 I think.

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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Thu Aug 08, 2002 1:14 am

One question.......why are the 4 engines mounted on the back?...why not the wing?
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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Thu Aug 08, 2002 4:48 am

Marcus, why the IL-62 has the engines on the back fuselage? I have heard this version over a beer in a bar. You may believe it or not, sure I can't prove it. It might be right, who knows?

Mr. Nikita Kruchev (sorry for possible spelling error, but he was general secretary of the communist party of the Soviet Union in the mid to late 50'es), he paid a visit to general Charles de Gaule, president of France.

NK flew to France on the most noisy airliner ever produced, the Tu-104, the slightly modified Tu-16 Badger bomber plane.

CDG invited NK for a ride on a Caravelle prototype. NK noticed how much more comfortable the sound level of the Caravelle was. CDG told him that it was because with the engines in the back, and the speed close to the speed of sound, the plane actually flew away from the noise.

Back home he dictated that all future Soviet jet airliners should have the engines in the back like the Caravelle.

At least that how they did it. The Tu-124 was hastily modified into the Tu-134. The Tu-154 took the place of the Tu-104. The IL-62 was made, and the smaller Yak planes had also engines in the back.

For a long time ALL new Soviet airliner designs had engines in the back (except the Tu-144 Concordski). It wasn't until much later when the widebody IL-86 came out that they (dared to?) put engines on wings. At that time Nikita Kruchev was long time gone from his powerful position.
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RE: My Quietest Take-off Ever.... On An IL-62

Fri Aug 09, 2002 1:40 am

Could you confirm if Aeroflot is operating the IL86/96 on the Moscow Delhi sector or are they sticking to A310's .

Aeroflot operates the IL96 on Mon, Tue, Sat and the 777 on Wed, Fri, Sun.
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