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TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Wed Aug 07, 2002 12:34 am

Read it this week in the local community paper, that TAP Air Portugal has suspended all JFK flights and instead will concentrate on EWR as their US gateway. This is truly sad I believe. TP used to serve EWR, LAX, BWI, BOS, and JFK at one time or another and now is just down to EWR.

The schedule will be:
TP1332 A340-300 Daily Departs @ 6:55PM Arrives @ 6:45AM
TP1330 A310-300 Fri, Sat, & Mon Departs @ 11:55PM Arrives @ 11:45AM

The latter will then become daily during the summer peak season. The reasons given for suspension in the paper were the typical ones (e.g. load factors, September 11). However, I was told that after the codeshare with Delta was over, TP had to move over to Terminal 4 @ JFK and pay for all flight support which was provided by Delta almost free of charge.

The switch over to EWR is peculiar because TP now codeshares with AA. Either the rumors of TP joining oneworld are true, or TP might be able to form a codeshare operation with Continental.

In other news, TP is redesigning the business class cabin in the A340's and A310's by installing the new "sleeper seats."


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RE: TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Wed Aug 07, 2002 12:37 am

Forgot to add that this suspension goes into effect October 27th.

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RE: TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Wed Aug 07, 2002 1:24 am

If I'm not mistaken there is a significantly larger Portuguese population in the Newark area than in the JFK area which is in southeast Queens. If any one knows if this is the case, please comment.

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RE: TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Wed Aug 07, 2002 1:54 am

When did they fly to BWI, did not know that. Was it nonstop to LIS or via BOS or JFK. Learn something new every day.
 
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RE: TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Wed Aug 07, 2002 3:01 am

Zebfly:

While the size of the Portuguese community in the Newark area is larger then any other in the United States, the combined communities of New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts are almost double. I just don't see many Portuguese people driving 3-4 hours and paying about $25 in tolls and gas each way "just" to fly TP. To me, it would make much more sense to get on a BA or KLM flight from either JFK or BOS and connect in Europe. It would probably be cheaper too.

747firstclass:

I'm not exactly sure as to when TP served BWI, but there is a picture @ the TP office @ EWR (looks like the 70's) of a bunch of people and a banner that reads "TAP First Flight To BWI" overhead. I doubt that that route lasted long. Its sad to see so many routes dropped. Even Toronto and Montreal were dropped, and there are HUGE Portuguese communities there.

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RE: TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Wed Aug 07, 2002 1:21 pm

The Portuguese population in Toronto is primarily Azorian. LIS flights are of little value.

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RE: TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Wed Aug 07, 2002 1:35 pm

Wow Im glad you mentioned the effective date!! I am leaving from JFK on TAP In a week or so!!!! Haha This is sad news however. I have been flying TAP since before I can remember. And I have always flown out of JFK. Too bad..
 
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RE: TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Wed Aug 07, 2002 3:35 pm

Yyz717 is correct. A majority of the Portuguese community is from the Azores, which explains why SATA flies from Toronto to the Azores, as well as Air Transat. However, the Toronto to Lisbon flight could use some competition, as only Air Transat currently serves that route, and some competition would be nice. Maybe SkyService will one day fly there.  Smile
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RE: TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Wed Aug 07, 2002 9:44 pm

Bizjets....

Can you post a link to the article or cut and paste it's contents into the forum?

I have TP as a customer at JFK and need to know the scoop.

Thanks much.....

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RE: TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Thu Aug 08, 2002 2:23 am

Jayhup:

It was in one of the local community papers. You can check http://www.tap-airportugal.pt for schedulues (or lack thereof) but you would probably just be better off if you went to the TAP office @ JFK. They'll tell you.

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RE: TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Thu Aug 08, 2002 2:44 am


Hi!

I'm a bit disapointed about TAP if they drop JFK. That airport is a status for airlines and I really don't understand why they're doing that, must be really due to commercial/startegic reasons. TAP used to fly to JFK since they received their first 707's in the far year of 1966. I understand that Newark might be better to the portuguese emigrant comunity but I also think that probably have to be with the fact that Continental is flying to Newark and perhaps TAP is loosing market to them how knows?!
TAP used to have some good flights to USA/Canada, in late 60's and 70's they flew to Boston non-stop and via Terceira/Azores with the 707, they flew Toronto and Montreal also with 707, they flew to JFK with 707/747. Duting all these years those where the north-american flights, latter they dropped Boston and all Canada and concentrated in JFK but incredibly they started a new flight to LAX with the L1011-500 Tristar, I think in summer 1989, but that was soon dropped, as a joke people said that TAP opened that route to offer TAP employers the chance to visit Disneyland because the flight was always empty!!!!
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RE: TAP Air Portugal Suspends All New York/JFK Flights

Thu Aug 08, 2002 3:39 am

The TAP EWR downtown office does indeed resemble the '70's... I was expecting to see rats running around- it was that discusting. I believe TAP loses most of their traffic to Air France (believe it or not) rather than Continental.