bobcat
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UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 4:13 am

UAL or Pan Am, Who flew the very last flight out of Saigon
at the end of the war? (US airlines only)

I vaguely recall seeing a movie about it.

A related question, are there currentlyany U.S. airlines
flying into Vietnam using its own aircraft?

Any info appreciated!  Smile
 
clipperhawaii
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 4:19 am

Pan Am flew the last one.

http://www.panam.org/cgi-bin/_textdisplay_0.asp?display=SAIGON&refer=561232693&call=M

No U.S. carriers fly to Vietnam.

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N202PA
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 4:19 am

It was Pan Am. The movie was called "Last Flight Out", and aired on TV in 1990. I believe the movie depicted an L-1011 but in real life, it was a 747 (or so I was told then).
 
Spark
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 4:21 am

I'm not 100% positive, but the last flight from Saigon would almost surely be Pan Am, unless United did some kind of Military charter.
Pan Am was the primary US airliner to fly in Asia in the 70's and early 80's (NW also flew to Asia, but primarily Japan). United didn't start scheduled service to Asia until 1983, with flights from SEA and PDX to Tokyo and Hong Kong.
In 1986, United purchased the Pacific routes from Pan Am, and became the largest airline in the world (eventually, and then lost it). Pan Am, on the other hand, dropped into non-existence.
 
NDSchu777
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 4:23 am

I don't know what the answer is, but I'd put my money on Pan Am much sooner before United. Pan Am by far had the most extensive international network for a US-based airline prior to deregulation. On top of that they would have had a strong presence in Asia in the 70s. I would highly doubt it would've been United since prior to the 1980s United had almost no routes outside of the United States, not to mention absolutely no routes to Asia.

The only way it might have been United is if it was a non-scheduled, charter flight.
 
bobcat
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 4:36 am

Thanks! It was Pan Am.... I thought it might have been
United becasue I had flown on a military-chartered UAL
jet(DC8 or 707) to Saigon in early '72.
 
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 4:46 am

It was Pan Am, and it was a scheduled flight (#841 to Manila). The FAA issued a waiver so that passengers could be seated on the floor, double up in seats, etc. It went out full with mainly Pan Am ticket office employees, Americans left in the area, some passengers who actually were ticketed on the scheduled service, and several embassy employees (two of which were CIA agents carrying several million dollars in USD cash). Some of the last on board were the airport ticket counter agents who were busy trying to get people onto the flight.
 
HAL
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:26 am

It probably was PanAm, but United did fly to Viet Nam in the 60's and early 70's as part of the MAC (Military Airlift Command) charters using DC-8's. My father was a pilot for UAL and did many of those flights.

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Trident
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:34 am

What about World Airways. I remember seeing a newspaper photo of a World 727 having landed (I'm not sure where, it might have been Thailand or the Philipines) with the legs of a dead stowaway dangling from one of the main wheel wells. That would have been in the last few days of the war in 1975.
 
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:45 am

World did indeed fly out of Saigon. If you will go the site already given by Clipperhawaii, then go the History page and then to "Personal Memoirs"(Al Topping) page you will find the account of the question of the Worlds' flight that has been mentioned. In fact Al Topping was the one to make the actual decision as to when Pan Am would pull out of Saigon, William Sewell didn't have the nerve to. That way, if the date was later found out to be wrong, he couldn't be held accountable.
 
FutureSQPilot
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:16 am

If the last flight out of Saigon was a scheduled Pan Am flight, what was the flight (with a 727) that landed there and was bombarded by Southern Vietnamese trying to get out? I watched a movie about it in history last year and it said that it was the last flight out when the US pulled out and they said that during the takeoff roll the loading ramp at the back of the plane was open and people were running and grabbing onto the ramp trying to get on the plane. I recall that about 300 people were crammed into the plane...possibly the flight that Trident is talking about?
 
skyhawk
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:36 am

FutureSQpilot-if you too will go to the same site that I previously mentioned, you will read an account of the World incident. You will notice that Al Topping mentions that it happened just very few days after the "Baby Airlift", that happened on April 5, so I'm sure you can realize that the Pan Am flight had to have been the last flight as that flight happened on April 24. Possibly, though I am just guessing, the World flight had sold seats on it, I am not sure about the Pan Am flight-even though they got a flight designator courtesy of Gerald Ford, in that case they(World) may be being called the last commercial flight out of Saigon, though the actual last American company out was Pan Am.
 
Aeri28
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:20 am

A little off topic, but for a historical perspective, PA's regularly scheduled flights from Saigon at least in 1974 used 747's 4 x per week:
flt #842 Saigon/Manila/Guam/Honolulu/San Francisco (M,F)
flt #842 Saigon/Guam/Honolulu/San Francisco (W,TH)

I would assume, in addition to these regularly scheduled flts, the military 'rest and relaxation' refliefs for military only purposes were via 727's:

According to Panamorg.com:

"Boeing 727s flew the Vietnam rest and relaxation airlift, carrying thousands of American servicemen for rest and relaxation leaves in Hong Kong, Tokyo, and other Asian destinations.

Pan Am’s 727s departing Saigon took off at maximum climb to avoid small arm fire. But bullet holes were found in multiple aircraft."

http://www.panamair.org/History/wars.htm

[img]http://www.panamair.org/History/rr.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.panamair.org/History/Saigon1.jpg[/img]
 
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:25 am

You guys forgot to mention Bob Six's Continental Air Services and of course Air America!  Big grin
 
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RE: UAL Or Pan Am, Who Flew Last Flight Out Of Saigon?

Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:54 am

The last US "airline" to fly out of SGN was Air America. They operated the Hueys that were pushed off the carriers in April 1975.
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