The HKAOA is a paper tiger - they tried introducing a recruitment ban last year when the 49 officers were sacked, but they still allowed their members to take promotions into the sacked men's positions. How can they tell a twentysomething with a family, looking for a break to stay away from CX when their members are benefitting off the sackings - they are no better than the scabs they supposedly detest. In any case, in a recent leadership ballot, the HKAOA union leader only got backing of about 600 pilots out of the thousand or so CX pilots the HKAOA represents. His proportion of the votes was up, but the union membership is down. CX have closer to 1600 pilots, and the reason for this is that the HKAOA is losing credibility. Also, a note to the first poster - 1.7 billion HK dollars was their profit - this is about 180 million US dollars, a very different picture to what you tried to portray. The pilots do fine out of CX -if they din't, they would leave. Unfortunately airline management - union relations are in the stone ages - the minute there is a profit, the unions are ready to kill the goose which laid the Golden egg, and the minute there is a loss, the management does the same. The aviation industry is in serious need of some enlightened management and union leadership, and unfortunatley neither is currently to be seen anywhere, except Southwest Airlines. It's time for the siege mentality to go on both sides. Pilot are not slaves, they do a good job, and airlines are not simply there to provide jobs for crew, they are there to make money - there is a balance in the middle.