bobcat
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Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:16 pm

I was checking connections from Atlanta to Orlando.

There are 12 daily flights every weekday and ALL are widebodies.

5 MD-11s, 1 777, 3 767-300s, and 3 767-400s....

Obviously they have a lot of traffic between these two
cities, but 12 widebodies daily? The route is only about 400
miles, not exactly cost-effective, is it? (correct me if
I'm wrong)

Can someone tell me their reasoning behind this?


P.S. On Sat. & Sun., DL also have two additional
flights opearated by MD80s. This is in addition
to the regular 12 flights on widebodies....

 
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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:20 pm

feeder flts, delta probably has tons of ppl coming into atl from all over the country to then connect on these 12 flts to mco. delta has an extremely strong pressence in the atl-florida market with widebodies on other routes besides atl-mco
 
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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:20 pm

TpA has quite a few for a short route also...I was wondering the same thing
 
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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:22 pm

Obviously there is so much demand that just running narrowbodies wouldn't be living up to the full potential of the route.
 
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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:23 pm

Legend goes that Ron Allen was unable to sleep one night, so rather than count sheep he started to count the number of widebodies from Atlanta to Florida.

1..2..3..4..5..6..7..7.5.....
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bobcat
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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:23 pm

Perhaps they should get one of those special 747s that JAL and ANA use for short range, high traffice routes in Japan?
 
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LN-MOW
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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:24 pm

For starters, they're packed ... you can't get enough seats on that stretch ... everyone who have tried to nonrev between these cities can confirm that ...
Secondly, ATL-MCO has traditionally been used for checkout of pilots on new widebodies .. hence a lot of 777's over the last few years.
Also Tampa has the same aircraft mix ...
Not the most cost-effective, probably .. but they sure need the seats ...

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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:29 pm

Jacksonville, Florida (JAX) has a sizeable number of B767's.... and most of the passengers aren't leisure travelers. A lot of business folks take these flights, and Delta fills them consistantly. If one is going up the east coast out of Jacksonville, Delta is the one to take. The only other services headed in a north or northeasterly direction are Southwest (ORF, BWI, ISP) and United Express (IAD).
 
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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:33 pm

Miami gets 18 daily 767s (8 MIA, 10 FLL) to Atlanta (plus a 757 and M80). The flights are always packed.
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Jaws707
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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 1:01 pm

I think that this is an example of a perfect route for the 753. I doubt the route needs much cargo capactity, and the 753 can move a lot of passengers in a very costy effective way.
 
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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 1:09 pm

Jaws707-
At the same time, is it really feasible to buy 757-300s specifically for one route? Also, could Delta find enough routes suitable for a 753? Until there are enough routes to warrant it, I think sticking with 763s is a good choice. Also, the 763s carry more pax than the 753s, so the 753 couldn't handle the route as it is because if a 763 has more seats and is seeing 100% loads, than a 753 would not have the capacity.

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flynavy
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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 1:19 pm

I have flown the MCO-ATL run many times. In addition to the high demand on the inbound flights from ATL, some of the MCO-ATL widebodies continue on to Europe. I took a 777-200 (MCO-ATL) in early 2001. We arrived in Atlanta at a gate in the international arrivals area. The passengers not continuing on to London Gatwick deplaned, and the flight left ATL bound for LGW shortly thereafter. A good number of the passengers on the flight originating in MCO remained aboard.

With that, you could say that another reason why there are so many widebodies running the ATL-Florida routes is that they ferry passengers through the ATL hub en-route to Europe.

For the record, Delta is the largest carrier serving MCO (in terms of the number of enplaned passengers per year).

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travatl
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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 1:49 pm

Not only do some of the widebodies originating in Florida continue to Europe, but many continue on to other high density routes (ORD, LAX, SFO, SEA), which always have plenty of thru passengers. Florida is bread and butter. Even AirTran runs 11 flights a day from ATL to MCO (albeit on 117 seat aircraft).

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RE: Why Does DL Run 12 Daily Widebody Flights ATL-MCO?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 2:28 pm

Well, I can tell you first hand that the 777 and MD11 on the ATL-MCO route are full this summer. Oversales are the name of the game on the E concourse. One flt in particular that has all of us on the evening shift in a fit is 151. It went out full tonight. We even had to pull a non-rev off because there were not enough seats.

Look, ATL-MCO is a family market and a business market. Many, many business travelers come up or go down for the day to have meetings in the two cities. They know that DL has the most flts, which means they can make that meetings around the flt times. Two weeks ago, on fLt 1975 a 777, we had 91 rev. paxs standing by for an earlier or later flt. Not to mention the 45 non revs too. (Which never made it on)

Also, the international connections to MCO from LGW, MAN and CDG are enough to fill a 777 any day. Sometimes flt 151 ops with a 767-400! This makes us all happy due to the high MX delays on the MD11s.

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