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How Many More "Lo-Costs" Can The UK Support?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 6:18 pm

People,

With the launch of MyTravel Lite I was wondering are we getting too many of these type of carriers here in the uk? I think they are a great idea and that we (at BA) should never have sold GoFly but surely there is only so much demand? What do you think? Who will launch one next? etc etc....
 
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RE: How Many More "Lo-Costs" Can The UK Support?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 6:23 pm

.....and, thinking about it, are they Lo-Cost anymore or just "Lo-Service" now that the likes of BA and BMI are offering low fares on full service flights?
 
richardw
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RE: How Many More "Lo-Costs" Can The UK Support?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 8:53 pm

They aren't low cost!. They are no frills airlines.

BA will inevitably be no frills from LGW, when all long haul and GB Airways services are transferred to LHR T5.

I only fly no frills when it is dirt cheap or on special offer, eg £45 return LON-NCE, otherwise its £99 - £175 on a full service airline without orange, apart from IB.

The no frills airline with the best service, least arrogance and seat allocation should perform the best.
 
eugdog
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RE: How Many More "Lo-Costs" Can The UK Support?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 9:10 pm

BASTEWARD - BA are offering a measily 50,000 seats a month at the discount prices - that is nothing compared to the 2-3 million seats on Ryanair/Easy jet combined - (although some are sold at higher prices)

Likewise the newcomers are very small players on the market and are focusing on outside of London.

Although it is very annecdotal - the most recent discount airline flight I was on was the v late evening flight from Venice-TReviso to Stansted this Monday - the 198 seat B737-800 was completely packed! Pretty good for a Monday evening flight!!

BTW I urge everyone to visit Venice - it is absolutely Stunning!!!!!!
 
richardw
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RE: How Many More "Lo-Costs" Can The UK Support?

Thu Aug 08, 2002 9:14 pm

and did you get your baggage on time at STN? catch the last Stansted Express?

 
BestWestern
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RE: How Many More "Lo-Costs" Can The UK Support?

Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:10 am

Europe can support two or maybe three low cost carriers

EasyJet
GO
MyTravel

Look at the USA, how many low cost carriers have survived there, two or three...
You are 100 times more likely to catch a cold on a flight than an average person!
 
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RE: How Many More "Lo-Costs" Can The UK Support?

Sun Aug 11, 2002 4:01 am

BestWestern,

Delete 'GO' from that equation (absorbed by easyjet) and replace it with Ryanair-it's fairly obvious that these two should still be around...although I would put most of my money on Ryanair.

It will indeed be interesting to see whether the rest will survive, because I too wonder how many LCCs Europe can support...my bet is that we'll eventually see Easy and Ryan offering flights all over Europe, to the detriment of airlines just now beginning to set up...but maybe not.

British LCCs have been getting a lot of negative press coverage recently.......Ryanair for failing to provide adequate baggage delivery, and now Easyjet for failing to create viable rosters for its aircrew...resulting in many flight cancellations.

The frilly British carriers, such as BMI, BA and now Flybe are making a big deal about their lower fares, and much simplified fare structures....and I'm sure we all salute them; even though I'm a fan of LCCs, I recognise that repeated problems (such as those above) can leave a very bitter taste in people's mouths....so much so, that they may refuse to fly LCCs again, after 'experimenting' with them.

Also, I wonder whether the EU will raise the cost of travelling by air, due to environmental concerns....rumours have appeared in the British press about the need to curb the tremendous growth in air travel....I wonder how this might affect the low-cost airlines....?

Regards
 
John Walton
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RE: How Many More "Lo-Costs" Can The UK Support?

Sun Aug 11, 2002 11:20 pm

EasyJet + Ryan Air + More Flights All Over Europe = Higher Costs = Higher Fares

Whereas if you have 4 or 5 Ryan Air sized loco airlines, these airlines can control their outgoings much easier and more efficiently, and pass on these cost benefits to the passenger.

Besides, there is still a large un-tapped market for low cost travel in the UK and Europe, which is only now starting to increase exponentially. And where there is an unserved demand for a service, new companies are born.

I can see at least one, possibly two more loco/ no frills airlines in the UK over the next 10 years.