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Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:31 pm

I've heard that quite certainly Finnair will add a 5th MD11 a/c to its fleet this autumn or next spring, as well as add an 8th weekly flight to BKK and considering to re-open its flights to Osaka. Has anyone heard about it?
Additionally according to new info all DC9 aircraft will be retired before MD-80s...

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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:43 pm

Quite interesting, do you know by whom this aircraft will be sold to Finnair? Maybe Swiss?

Daniel
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:48 pm

It has not yet been decided, most possibly it will be one of the newest MD-11s produced, likely Swiss etc...

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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:51 pm

3 Cheers for Finnair! In my opinion, one of the worlds best carriers. Excellent crews, in-flight-services, etc. LOVE this airline.

 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:55 pm

FunFlying,

I doubt that they would get a SWISS aircraft since they are PW4000 powered while Finnair use General Electric CF-6's on their MD-11.
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 12:01 am

Ok, didn't know that Swiss uses PW-engines, anyway it'll be one of the newest produced.
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 12:07 am

This is interesting news indeed. Per Bill Harms' website, there are 3 GE-powered MD-11s in storage at Victorville. Perhaps Finnair is picking up one of these. It's good to see the passenger version of the MD-11 still around, instead of having all of them converted into freighters. Now if only Delta would pick up another MD-11..... Wink/being sarcastic Regards.
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 12:27 am

Once of the 3 GE-powered MD-11s at Victorville is a former VARIG ship that is destined for freighter conversion for UPS. So it's down to two CF6-80C2 ships, formerly of CityBird. It'll probably be one of these two.
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 12:37 am

The CityBird aircraft are fairly new. One built in 1996 and the other in 1998 and they have no takers so I agree with AKelley728 it is most likely they will take on of them.
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 12:44 am

It'll probably be one of these two.

Finnair needs one or two MD-11 a/c its fleet. So Finnair is interesting those two GE-powered MD-11's, but first Finnair add 5th and maybe later 6th MD-11 a/c its fleet.

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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:03 am

FunFlying,

Where did you hear this?

I know Finnair has been looking for 5th MD-11 since spring. Even the ex-citybird MD-11 visited Helsinki, but Finnair wasn't very happy with it.

-Janne
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:06 am

It was a friend of mine working for the company, a preliminary decision has been made just a few days ago.

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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:26 am

Jormy:

Why wasn't Finnair happy with the CityBird MD-11?
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:34 am

Is the MD11 the right size of aircraft to get?

Since AY has introduced a fairly sizeable 32X fleet, one would have thought it might be looking at the 330s to replace MD11s; the 332, being smaller, but with excellent range, would allow it to add frequencies and maybe take out the BKK stop on flights to SIN and HKG.

What's the long term plan; presumably the new M11 will be leased for a relatively short period and then, all going well, sold to a cargo operator?
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:39 am

Finnair announced its intentions to serve Kuala Lumpur earlier and could this be a reason why Finnair needs a new MD-11?
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:08 am

I think when it becomes time for Finnair to replace the MD-11's which wont be for a while the best bet would be the A345. That would fit perectly with the Asian cities they serve. One question though. Does Finnair still serve Chicago? The A345 would not be a good plane for New York or Chicago so it might be a combination of the A345 and the A333.
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:14 am

I can't even remember if Finnair ever flew to Chicago?? In the 80s maybe or earlier,they haven't got any other American routes than New York in their regular network.I believe when the time comes for the MD11 to retire from the Finnair fleet which won't happen in this decade,they will go Airbus almost for sure..

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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:23 am

Kaitak, I think you are right. I think this is just a short term plan. Finnair's flights to Far East are doing well and they just needed an additional aircraft. And they have said that already in spring. Perhaps they will tell it officially on 22 August when they publish their Interim Report Q2.
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:28 am

AKelley728,

Err.. Well, I don't remember the details why Finnair wasn't happy with the ex-citybird MD-11, but If I remember correctly it had something to do with the seating configuration.

I don't think Finnair is looking for replacing MD-11 very soon. They are happy with their MD-11's and it can take more cargo than A330/A340.

-Janne
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:23 am

As Jormy said, a passenger MD-11 can carry more freight than an A332/A333.
And freight is quite a good business for them on at least their flights to BKK.

Finnair has never served Chicago, currently they are only serving New York, and the flights aren't that profitable.

They have previously served at least SFO, SEA and LAX.

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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:54 am

Long-term I would think the A330-200 would be the best aircraft for Finnair, since it is a mid-size carrier. It has range enough to do HEL-SIN non-stop, which probably would be the longest route Finnair would contemplate flying in the future.

BTW, will Kuala Lumpur be server by a stop over in BKK, like HKG and SIN is?
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:20 am

They used to serve MIA and SFO as recent as 1998. With the AA cooperation and Miami's ethnic ties with Finland, I would not be surprised to see them back in MIA in the next few years.
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 9:51 am

Can anyone confirm this?
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 11:13 am

This will be good, I just saw the last of the 4 MD-11's in Hong Kong so a 5th would be good for all spotters !!
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:51 pm


This may be a breath of air for the MD-11 life.Thanks Finnair !!!
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:54 pm

I don't know a lot about engine types etc., but I find one of the ex-CTB aircrafts more likely.

In which condition are those aircrafts? Don't forget that they are already grounded for almost one year!

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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Thu Aug 15, 2002 7:43 pm

Could it be from Thai Airways ? since they have 4 in service at the moment.
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:30 am

I'm posting this on behalf of a person related to Finnair but who doesn't have an username here.

"I think Finnair WAS pretty happy about that CityBird plane, because it's going to be the one starting service for Finnair... Finnair is planning to open Osaka again, two more weekly flights to BKK (don't know if HKG and SIN is also flown on those two flights), New York daily, Beijing daily and Tokyo will get more flights... That's what I've heard.

And what I have to say about the speculation about the follower of MD-11, is that the discussion is pointless. Those Finnair MD-11s will serve AT LEAST another 10 years, because of the plane's outstanding range when taking off at MTOW, and because of it's outstanding freight capacity... MD-11 is the best long-haul airplane ever made...

P.S And Janne, why wouldn't Finnair have been happy with the seating configuration?? It can always be changed..."

The text above doesn't necessarily reflect my personal views.

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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:34 am

Alex,

As I said, I don't remember the details. My logic says also that it should be fairly easy to change the seats, but dunno...

I don't believe Finnair is adding fifth MD-11 before I see OH-LGE with my own eyes...  Smile

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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:47 am

Is that possible for AY to start fly HEl nonstop to HKG?
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Fri Aug 16, 2002 7:23 am

Janne,

Well, I wouldn't be too surprised to see "Golf Echo" joining Finnair's fleet...

VH-ANA,

I don't think it would be viable for them as they carry a lot of cargo to Bangkok, also passenger figures for these flights are quite nice. Anyway, why change, when you have a good and profitable system working?

Alex
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Sat Aug 17, 2002 6:07 pm

Perhaps these extra 2 frequencies to Bangkok may proceed to Kuala Lumpur. OdiE is right - I remember Finnair stating its intentions to start flying into Kuala Lumpur to capture some of the large Scandinavian-Malaysian market. If Finnair play their cards right they would also be an excellent competitor (AND the only European OneWorld carrier in Malaysia) for the even larger Western Europe/UK-Malaysia market.
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Sat Aug 17, 2002 6:18 pm

Here is a shot of a Finnair DC10 at Penang on one of its regular charters in 1991.


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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Tue Aug 20, 2002 6:23 pm

All and all i have flown all of Finnair's current MD-11's and i think it is an exellent choice for them.
Head of Finnair, Mr Suila, is known for being careful with his fleet which i think is good.After all Finnair is doing pretty well after sept 11 happenings.

BTW just imagine what would A346 look like in the new Finnair livery...that would be a beauty...
 
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RE: Finnair Adding 5th MD11

Tue Aug 20, 2002 6:33 pm

Present reg. of the "new" MD-11 is P4-SWM, the ex CityBird a/c. Cabin will be changed to standard AY config. New reg will most likely be OH-LGE, but that is not confirmed yet.

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