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Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:43 am

Hello guys,

I read today that Ibertrans (a Spanish carrier) is going to fly for a German Airline (the name is not known yet) from Brussels to Frankfurt to compete with Lufthansa.

Anyone has more news about this? What for a company is Ibertrans? Who could the German company be?

BTW, other new airlines who will start flying to EBBR are:

x Mahan Air (Brussels - Teheran)
x Air Switzerland (Brussels - Berne)
x BMIBaby (Brussels - East Midlands, a replacement for the BMI flights to E.M.)

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Frederic
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:54 am

Sabena690,

Thanks for the good news.

> from Brussels to Frankfurt to compete with Lufthansa.

Nice that somebody has the guts to face up to Goliath!

> What for a company is Ibertrans?

No idea.


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According to the pictures database Ibertrans only seems to fly with EMB120 and SWM.

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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:00 am

Thanks for your reply, Edwin!

Now I remember from where I heard there name, one of their EMB120's (the right one in the pictures you showed us) crashed some months ago.

What will the reaction of LH be? A price war?

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Frederic
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:45 am

As far as i know, Ibertrans is a freighter company that flies for DHL in Spain. I think they are also involved in the new low-cost operator SkyEurope - owned by Belgian businessmen - that started operations in Slovakia Bratislava last spring.
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:45 am

These are cargo planes, so I would rather guess they are feeding Brucargo's DHL Hub, as DHL is massivley growing here at FRA and they do want to introduce new time definite products for medical shipments, which would suggest the EMB-120 flying a day-lite flight rather than one of the stationed 727s.
Did the article really say they'd compete with Lufti for a german Airline?
Not many german Airlines left....Germania imo has enough planes, dba is consolidating within itself....
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Thu Aug 15, 2002 3:06 am

Well I say.....serious competition LH versus a Embraer Cargo plane of Ibertrans (DHL)


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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:37 am

Hello guys,

I have also questions on this. The biggest part of the pax going to FRA are connecting pax with the Star Alliance. How can they fill their plane to FRA??

Further, I am not a fan of posting articles or parts of articles, but I want to show you what I read, so here it is:

(From 'De Financieel Economische Tijd'):

...Het Spaanse Ibertrans zal Lufthansa beconcurreren op Frankfurt voor rekening van een nog niet bekende Duitse maatschappij...

Or translated in English:

...The Spanish airline Ibertrans is going to compete with LH on the FRA-BRU route for a not yet known German Airline...

Are those EMB120's convertable to pax aircrafts? Or maybe they are going to lease a pax aircraft...

Any suggestions?

Thanks and regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:44 am

Really no-one with more suggestions or so?

Thanks,
Frederic
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:06 am

The airline planning to start flights on this route is the long awaited start-up Berlinjet.

BTW, Swift Air is involved in SkyEurope, not Ibertrans.
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:14 am

Don't bring up that BerlinJet thing. It's a proven hoax. I know one of the
'start-up' guys from my High School and believe me he wouldn't be able to start an airline, he's happy to tie his shoes.
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 4:39 pm

Thanks, Thomas!

I never heard something of 'Berlinjet', does anyone have some info about this airline?

Thanks,
Frederic
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 4:55 pm

> Mahan Air (Brussels - Teheran)
> Air Switzerland (Brussels - Berne)

Sabena 690,

Do you know when those two airlines will start their new operation to BRU?
Perhaps as from the upcoming winter season on 27/10/02?

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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:21 pm

Hey Edwin,

Mahan Air: I don't know the exact dates, but I saw already some cancelled flights of this airline at Brussels. So it will not last long anymore I think.

Air Switzerland: Normally the 15th of July! But this airline is some kind of VG Airlines 2. Changing their planns the whole time, no structure, no real business plan, ... There is a chance that they are bankrupt before the first flight. Anyway, there is already one (or maybe more in the meantime) Do 328 painted in their colours.

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Frederic
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 6:07 pm

Mahan Air!

Great news. Any idea what material they're using and what frequencies. TU-154?
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:36 pm

Hey SAA-SAL,

Equipment is an Airbus A310.

No more info about frequencies (I thought once a week?)

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Frederic
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 9:03 pm

all I can ad to this discussion is that these companies have asked slots. Applying for slots not always mean that you start operations... You have to ask slots months in advance and many airlines change ideas in this fast moving industry. Look for example what we have seen with all the African companies who intended to start flights too Brussels...



 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:17 pm

Thanks for the info, Pressclub!

BTW: I saw today again a flight of Cameroon Airlines to BRU with a B762. Long time ago I saw one on biac.be... Wasn't this airline also in trouble?

Thanks and regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:26 pm

> Wasn't this airline also in trouble?

It doesn't look like.

Below you can find an interesting article on Cameroon Airlines' operations at BRU.

Cameroon Airlines propose un nouveau vol tout confort, avec escale à Douala, à des tarifs très intéressants
http://www.dhnet.be/index.phtml?content=http://www.dhnet.be/dhjournal/archives_det.phtml?id=149049
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:31 pm

Thanks for the info, Edwin!

Do you really know every single article published by a newspaper on the net? Big grin  Wink/being sarcastic

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Frederic
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:45 pm

> Do you really know every single article published by a newspaper on the net?

I haven't read a decent book in ages, but yes, I do like those online newspapers.
Fortunately, I have ADSL to speed up the searching process!  Big grin

Edwin
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Tue Aug 20, 2002 2:38 am

BTW: the news was again confirmed today in the aviation newsletter of forum member Thomas Jaeger.

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Frederic
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:58 am

And now a friend told me that also Air Berlin would be involved in the deal!

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Frederic
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Wed Aug 21, 2002 3:40 am

Guys,
Mahan will surely use an A300 or A310 for their BRU-services. I hope ever to see the T154 at BRU but don't think to much about it.
Mahan already have slots at BRU but all flights till now are cancelled and no start-up date yet known.
Air Switzerland : I hope to see them at BRU with the DO328.
Ibertrans flies parcels from BRUCARGO to Spain and not in particularly for DHL. DHL has its own feeder namely Swiftair with B727, Spanish registered. Ibertrans flies normally for several small parcel- and courriercompanies who are located at BRUCARGO. All material is consolidated and flown to Spain.
Another point : If Ibertrans wants to compete with Lufti, they will certainly need bigger aircrafts than the EMB120.
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:10 am

Ibertrans does not fly for DHL.
However, I do know a person who was captain with them and refused to fly any further for them due to some serious "maintenance and safety issues"...

They are rumoured to plan feeder work for Delsey, but I really hope that this will NOT go ahead.

DHL uses uniquely Swiftair in Spain.

ps. Pressclub, Delsey should really give your paper to the pax. instead handing out "Het laatste nieuws"... Quality airlines need quality papers!
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:20 pm

For which 'small' couriers does Ibertrans fly? WQXS?
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Wed Aug 21, 2002 9:16 pm

A 330,

You are right I confused Ibertrans with Swift... Mea Culpa.

Thx for recommending my newspaper. Do you know me? Do I know you???

 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Wed Aug 21, 2002 11:51 pm

Do they really serve 'Het Laatste Nieuws' on board of VG Airlines flights?

Yeah, recommend your newspaper Pressclub!! Big grin Big grin Big grin

I even could choose between Het Laatste Nieuws and De Standaard on board of my Alitalia flights some weeks ago!

VG Airlines really only serves one Belgian newspaper? And even such a low quality one like Het Laatste Nieuws?

Regards,
Frederic

 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Thu Aug 22, 2002 3:05 am

ClipperNo1,
With small courriercompanies, I mean TBC Halbart, Trans Africa, OCS and a few more small not really international known companies. I am not speaking about companies like Fedex, UPS, TNT or DHL.
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Thu Aug 22, 2002 3:08 am

On the first flight to LAX there was 'De Zondag' on board....

It's a free newspaper that everyone can get at his bakery on sunday!!

I thinks pressclub really likes 'De Zondag' !!
There are some nice travel(trip)-reports in it sometimes...  Big thumbs up


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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:27 am

Pressclub,
No, You do not know me personally I think, but I do read your articles...!
At first, on the forum, I supposed that you were a hoak, but boy was I wrong, I must say that the forum has gained a lot of credibility since you came along.

By the way, last Monday night near Halifax, we recieved an emergency transmission on 121.5. Has anyone got more info on that?
FVG002 of 19/08: TOB:116 persons, so things are slowly improving at Delsey...
Shiek!
 
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RE: Ibertrans BRU-FRA?

Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:24 am

Thx A 330. I hope to fly one day with you. I really hope I can do so