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Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:47 am

I just heard on the Weather Channel, of all places, that Delta Airlines is planning to start charging passengers $40 for each additional piece of checked luggage over two. I think this will be quite effective in limiting people in what they take on flights. There was no mention as to whether this policy would be for domestic or international flights; I'm assuming both.

Any thoughts or input?
 
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:50 am

It's a good idea. Most people only check one bag, a smaller percentage two, and an even smaller percentage more than two. Those who take more than average should pay more than average.
 
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:47 am

There was an article a couple of weeks ago in The Wall Street Journal (I believe) about how many airlines have instructed the CSRs and gate agents to begin actually applying the extra fees and charges to customers as a way of bandaging the hemorrhaging of their finances. Most of these fees have been in place but often times the CSRs and gate agents would just waive them. But now the airlines need every buck they can get it seems. I wish I could recall the date I saw the article as it laid out the exact fees and extra charges that most of the majors would begin enforcing. (ex: for extra/overweight baggage, upgrades, kids...Also implementing new fees for certain award travel segments)....
 
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 3:20 am

Unfortuantly, there are those of us who when we do travel, we have to drag three bags along. I travel for 30 days plus at a time, and am forced to carry alot of luggage. Unfortuantly other carriers will follow Delta's lead. A Delta memo i saw at thier checkin blaimed it on screening requirments of checked luggage
 
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:43 am

This isn't a new policy. Typically, airlines impose fees for excess baggage above their normal allowance for each customer. There are also separate charges if a bag is either over the allowance for dimension and/or weight as well.
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:52 am

Great... Now we'll see even more amazingly oversize bagage will be used as carryons. How about starting to charge for extra or oversize carryons? That would speed up boarding and tunraround times.
 
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:59 am

Effective with the new changes after 9/11, each customer is permitted only one carryon bag, plus a small "personal item" like a purse, briefcase, or fanny pack. You can't take anything extra as a carryon, no matter how much you're willing to pay. In addition, most airlines have "sizers" in the gate area to determine whether a bag can be taken aboard as a carryon.

While someone may succeed in getting a large bag to the gate area, the agent boarding the flight will insist on having it checked if they believe it is too large to carry aboard. Usually they don't charge for this, but if they feel like being sticklers and enforcing the rules, they CAN have the customer pay an excess bag fee if the "carryon" being sent down as a gate-checked item takes them over their free baggage allowance. (Again, there are separate charges for extra, oversize, or overweight bags)
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 7:26 am

This isn't a new policy. Typically, airlines impose fees for excess baggage above their normal allowance for each customer. There are also separate charges if a bag is either over the allowance for dimension and/or weight as well

Actually, this is a new policy. In the past all the major airlines have allowed each passenger a total of three pieces of luggage (within the weight/size restrictions), plus a personal item like a purse or briefcase, reading material, food for onboard consumption, a camera, whatever.

If I had three pieces of luggage, I could check one and carry two onboard (prior to 9/11), or I could check two and carry one onboard, or I could check all three and not have to carry anything onboard.

What's different now is that although I am still allowed a total of three pieces of luggage (excluding my small personal item), I don't have the option of checking that third piece for free. I must carry it onboard unless I want to pay $40.00 extra.

Normally, this is not a problem because I don't usually have a lot of luggage.

Although I can't find the thread over at Flyertalk, I know that AA started this policy a couple of months ago, and I believe they charge you $50.00 if you are checking a third piece of luggage.

I remember reading that particular thread about a week before I took a 12 day trip on AA to SFO to visit friends. It gets chilly in San Francisco at night, so I tend to take a jacket and pullover sweaters, etc, that fill up a suitcase quick. Plus I know that I'll be doing a lot of shopping in Chinatown, etc, so when I take my annual Escape-the-Texas-heat trip to SFO, I usually do take three bags.

I would have preferred to check all three pieces of luggage and just carry on my small personal item (A small bag that holds my camera, film, keys, paperback, wallet, cigarettes and lighter), therefore freeing up some overhead bin space for those who do like to carry on more, but I didn't have that choice. Actually, I did have that choice, I just didn't want to pay an extra $50.00 for the priveledge, so I ended up dragging one of my heavy carry-ons around DFW during my three hour layover.

FWIW, Southwest does still allow you to check all three peices of luggage without additional charge, but then you are only allowed to take onboard your small personal item.

I can sort of understand why the airlines did this, though. For one thing, allowing you to only be able to check two pieces for free cuts down on the amount of bags the baggage handlers have to deal with. For another thing, under the old system, I've seen passengers "work the system".

They would get the person dropping them off at the airport to stand off to the side with one of their carry-ons, and proceed to go check in at the counter and check their three pieces, and then retrieve the fourth carry-on from their friend, and possibly a personal item, too, and proceed through the checkpoint. As long as the friend stays out of sight, the person checking in the passenger at the counter thinks the passenger has a grand total of three pieces of luggage, even though the friend is holding a fourth piece. It was a sneaky way to be able to take a fourth piece of luggage on your trip at no extra charge.

Having said all that, I still don't like the new policy and will continue to fly Southwest if I have more than two pieces of luggage, especially if my trip involves a connection.

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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 7:35 am

Wilcharl-- Flight crew bags are usually carry-on exempt. I'm sure you could finagle the same deal for your checked bags.

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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 7:56 am

I just flew DCA-OKC on Monday morning because I was moving from DC back home. I checked with AA about their baggage allowance and was told a third bag required a fee of $80. A little steep but still better than shipping my stuff home.

 
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 8:16 am

LoneStarMike:

I can't speak for all other carriers, but I know for a fact that Alaska Airlines, Northwest Airlines and Continental Airlines only permit TWO checked bags, one carryon, and one personal item. Three checked aren't permitted (save for CO's BusinessFirst customers).
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 8:55 am

I think its a good idea. I went to Germany for 6 months and had too much with only 2 not entirely full suitcases. I think it is ridiculous that a single person needs a carryon and 3 or more suitcases.
 
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 10:10 am

Hey Joe I'm sure you see your fair share of overweight and excess baggage up their in Toledo!!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

We charge passengers on C8 here in Dayton if they have baggage that weighs more than 70 pounds or more than 3 check bags. Sometimes if the bag weighs right around 70 pounds we have them move items to another bag. So I don't make much of Delta's policy, airlines aren't moving services and if you have excess or overweight bags you should be charged a fee.

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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 11:53 am

Hehe...Chris, get this, we don't have a scale  Wink/being sarcastic I can't ever remember charging for excess/overweight bags. However, the story I love is about the lady who was checking in with Eagle. She brings this huge 150lb shiny steel case that was four feet square to check in (similar to a concert speaker packed for a tour.) Of course, this bustlingly plump individual claims that the box is to protect her ADA device. They took it; I would've called a CRO. How we would have loaded that without a belt loader I do not know. It's generally not a big deal for us. We've never had a weight restricted flight and only a handful of flights I've worked have bulked or weighed out the second compartment.

I haven't been into work yet this week, but word has it TOL and FNT are getting fifth flights! For the most part work is still a blast. Can't wait to go back tomorrow.

We need to talk more...it's time for an independent C8 employee site with a message board...

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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:22 pm

I dont know, I thought that they always charged people for really heavy bags. A couple months ago I checked a bag that was 66 lbs. when the limit on UA is 70 lbs. The ticket agent looked really pissed off that he couldnt get some money out of me. He gave me a pretty mean look as he heaved the bag onto the belt!
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:28 pm

EA CO AS:

I know for a fact that Alaska Airlines, Northwest Airlines and Continental Airlines only permit TWO checked bags, one carryon, and one personal item.

That's interesting, and something I didn't realize. I checked some other airlines free checked baggage policies and found out that, American, Alaska, Continental, Delta, Northwest, United, Spirit and Vanguard (before thye filed for Chapter 11) all only permitted 2 free pieces of checked luggage. With the exception of Spirit and Vanguard, these are supposedly the full service carriers.

Air Tran, Southwest, JetBlue, and Frontier ( all "no frills" carriers) do give you the option of checking that third piece for free, as well as US Airways, Midwest Express and America West.

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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:40 pm

you americans have it so easy...
KLM allows 1 (ONE) piece of checked luggage for a maximum weight of 20 (twenty) kilos (that's just over 40 pounds for the non-metric people).
Anything more costs like $20 per kilo, which is close to the regular price for small package aircargo.

Businessclass may have higher allowances, but I can't afford to fly that so I don't know.
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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 10:40 pm

Well, Delta is second... AA charges (has been for a while now) for a third item dispite having no carry-ons at a cost of $80 per extra piece. The ticket/gate agent cannot check-in a passenger without getting a pay for excess baggage prompt/block if the agent selects 3 or more bags for the passenger (pooled bags don't get a prompt). There is an override selection usually for strollers, wheelchairs, etc... But, the "block" has been very effective. I like it b/c people can't argue... "Sir/Ma'am, well, the computer can't let me check you in because of the excess baggage.."

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RE: Delta To Charge Pax For Add'l Checked Bag

Fri Aug 16, 2002 10:59 pm

Jwenting you're wrong. KLM doesn't care how many pieces of luggage you bring along (as long as you don't fly to/from the USA or Canada) as long as you're under the 20 kg or 30 kg

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