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Accidents At AMS

Wed Aug 21, 2002 3:23 pm

Hi all,

Can anyone give me some information on all or any of the accidents that have happened at AMS.

I only found out yesterday that a CI747 clipped a NWDC-10's tail while taxing by once and also that another CI747 applied to much "gas" and nearly rammed the terminal!

Also something about a ground worker becoming mangled by the prop of a Fokker 50 (or 70) just before push back!

Has anyone got some more info on these or any more?

Thanks
AMS
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jwenting
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RE: Accidents At AMS

Wed Aug 21, 2002 3:59 pm

The first 2 can hardly be called accidents...
Noone was hurt (maybe some bruises from hard braking but no more).

I've heard nothing of a technician being killed or seriously wounded by a propellor. Something like that would have made the TV news and newspapers, so if it happened it must have been a long time ago.

Small things like aircraft hitting each other on the taxiway can easily happen on an overcrowded airport, especially when pilots are inexperienced, reckless or unfamiliar with the airport.
Such things happen once in a while at every airport in the world, and usually the passengers don't experience anything but a delay while repairs are made ("ladies and gentlemen, we have been ordered by the tower to return to the gate. Please disembark, a new departure time will be announced").
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RE: Accidents At AMS

Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:24 pm

KLM Citihopper Saab 340 and also Transavia 757 on landing with heavy cross winds. I don't know the dates exactly. I think in the Transavia incident no one was hurt.
 
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RE: Accidents At AMS

Wed Aug 21, 2002 8:21 pm

Transavia 757 skidded off the runway 19R on a night landing in heavy crosswind on December 24, 1999.
Noone was hurt, damage to the aircraft was repaired and the aircraft put back into service.

Board of investigation found that a new law prohibiting landings at the most favourable runway because of noise restrictions (the maximum number of night landings on the runway permitted under that law for the year had been reached some time earlier) was a danger to navigation and recommended the law be changed.
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RE: Accidents At AMS

Wed Aug 21, 2002 8:42 pm

LY 74F, hit apartment buildings after take-off, carrying general cargo plus ammunition and ingredients for Sarin gas. Many killed at the time plus a cancer cluster in the area since.
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RE: Accidents At AMS

Wed Aug 21, 2002 8:59 pm

Here are some pictures of an El-Al B747-200F that ran out of the runway on Feb 8th 1999.

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Of course there was the tragic accident of an El-Al B747-200F, 4X-AXC, that crashed near the airport on Oct 4th 1992.


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RE: Accidents At AMS

Wed Aug 21, 2002 9:25 pm

yes, AXC was AFAIK the last fatality at AMS directly related to flight ops (rather than possible accidents and things like heart attacks).

Rather a good record I'd say, given the number of aircraft operating here every day.
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RE: Accidents At AMS

Wed Aug 21, 2002 9:34 pm

I'm sure there has been another accident. I suppose you make a case re the Tenerife collision since one of the 747s originated there.

Some airports are lucky (Heathrow has only dispatched two flights in the last few decades that have been lost, the Pan Am 747 that crashed in Scotland and the BMI 737 that crashed in the Midlands), whereas others are spectacularly unlucky (JFK: Swiss MD11 off Canadian coast, TWA 800 exploding off Long Island, Egyptair 767 crashing in the same spot due to the actions of the co-pilot, Air France Concorde in Paris en route to JFK...and that's just in the last 6 years).

What did the Dutch ever do to El Al Cargo to deserve such treatment?
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RE: Accidents At AMS

Wed Aug 21, 2002 9:35 pm

Oh yeah, didn't TMA of Lebanon have an excursion off the runway with one of their lovely green 707s a few years back?
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RE: Accidents At AMS

Wed Aug 21, 2002 9:40 pm

Well, to call Tenerife an AMS incident... would go a little too far I think. There have been incidents however at AMs, with aircraft losing pieces like engine cowlings around the airport (I believe it was a NW DC-10), and a fire aboard a KLM 763. The EL AL crash involving 747-258F 4X-AXG (not "C") was the most serious accident to occur around Schiphol, and on Dutch soil...:|

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RE: Accidents At AMS

Wed Aug 21, 2002 10:08 pm

Wasn't there a KLM Cityhopper Saab 340B that crashed at Schiphol in the early 90s? I'm pretty sure...
 
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RE: Accidents At AMS

Thu Aug 22, 2002 3:33 pm

Jtwentig,

I think the issue of the prop and the guy only occurred about a year and a half ago...a guy I work with was working at Schiphol at the time!

Hmmm....

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RE: Accidents At AMS

Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:38 pm

The Saab 340 accident was on April 4, 1994 and killing 3 people very near to the main spotting area near the runway. It occured exactly 1,5 year after the 'Bijlmer-disaster' (Bijlmer is the residential area where 4X-AXG crashed). Unfortunately, Amsterdam had, like JFK, some more related incidents. The Faro DC-10 crash (21 dec. 1992) started from Amsterdam, while the DC-3 pleasureflight (crashed 25 sept. 1996) was on its way back to Amsterdam. Also some freighters which crashed in Africa came from Amsterdam.
Cedarjet> To add to your already scary JFK list, the A-300 post take off crash of American, early november 2001.
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Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:47 pm

I remember well this Fokker 100 maingear collapse

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RE: Accidents At AMS

Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:49 pm

Geezz quite a lot then!!

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RE: Accidents At AMS

Fri Aug 23, 2002 5:42 pm

Jwenting,

the story about the guy who got in the way of a F-50 prop is very true!
It happened in June-July (?) last year.
A lot of people were allowed to go home that, due to what had happened to there colleague.
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RE: Accidents At AMS

Fri Aug 23, 2002 6:05 pm

In 1986, a British tri-engined turboprop, a Britten-Norman-Trislander I believe, crashed at takeoff from Schiphol, killing the pilot. I read it in a aviation yearbook years ago. I can't really find some details but I'll let you know a.s.a.p Big thumbs up

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RE: Accidents At AMS

Fri Aug 23, 2002 6:09 pm


Here it is  Big thumbs up


Accident description
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Date: 14 SEP 1986
Time: 03.10
Type: Pilatus Britten Norman BN-2A Trislander Mk.III-2
Operator: Kondair
Registration: G-BDTP
C/n: 1028
Year built: 1976
Total airframe hrs: 7100 hours
Engines: 3 Lycoming O-540-E4C5
Crew: 1 fatalities / 1 on board
Passengers: 0 fatalities / 0 on board
Total: 1 fatalities / 1 on board
Location: 4,6km from Amsterdam-Schiphol (Netherlands)
Phase: Final Approach
Nature: Freight
Departure airport: London-Stansted Airport (STN)
Destination airport: Amsterdam-Schiphol Airport (AMS)
Flightnumber: 201
Remarks:
Schiphol Tower cleared the flight for a runway 06 ILS approach shortly after 02.53h. The aircraft was too high on the glide slope however and initiated a go-around at 02.59h. The pilot decided to carry out a runway 19R approach and climbed to 2000ft before turning to base. At 03.06 the aircraft aligned with the centreline, 6nm from the threshold. At 4nm short of the runway the aircraft was below the glide slope, with a speed of around 80kts. At 03.09 (ca 3nm short, at 750ft altitude) the aircraft suddenly turned right and descended fast. At 550ft altitude the aircraft turned left and kept descending until it struck the ground and caught fire. It was determined that a windshear condition existed at around 750ft altitude on the runway 19R approach path, causing a shift in direction of the wind from 210deg to 100deg. The aircraft had logged around 7100 flying hours. PROBABLE CAUSE: The inexperienced pilot overcorrected a movement of the aircraft, caused by windshear and didn't regain control when the aircraft entered a spiral dive as a result of the over correction.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1986/860914-0.htm



 
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RE: Accidents At AMS

Fri Aug 23, 2002 6:16 pm

I can remember also another incident, in which the Czech presidential aircraft, a Tu-154M I believe, hit a Schiphol-East hangar with its outer wing... This happened in the beginning of the 90ies but I can recall seeing the picture of a damaged wing in the newspaper. The aircraft was repaired AFAIK.
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