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Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Wed Aug 21, 2002 4:26 pm

Hi all,

Why is GA 744 tail scheme different than the rest of the fleet? Here are some photos...

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The "wings" of the bird in the 744 are sort of sharp but the "wings" of the 742 are smoother. Huh?

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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Wed Aug 21, 2002 4:40 pm

No Idea, never noticed that before.

How did you notice that ??
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Wed Aug 21, 2002 4:48 pm

By looking at Garuda photos, I knew something was different.

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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:07 pm

Maybe Garuda doesn't give a s..t about cooperate design...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:10 pm

Maybe Garuda doesn't give a s..t about cooperate design...

Maybe your right!  Smile
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:13 pm

I don't really see a diference.

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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:24 pm

I don't see a diff too... is really looks the same.
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:40 pm

open your eyes, there IS a difference!

The wings of the bird-icon on the tail is what it's all about. On teh B742 the angle where the wings move fro thick to thin is much smoother. On the B744 the angle is very hard (the "turn area" is also much smaller on the B744 as it's on teh B742)

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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Wed Aug 21, 2002 9:31 pm

Maybe its just the angle, maybe they modified the logo when they got the 744 and GA werent particular about updating it on the rest of the fleet? I prefer the old 'smoother/flowing' wings of the Garuda logo, as on the 742. Enlarge the 742 pic, theres definitely a difference. Any Garuda people here who could clarify?
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Wed Aug 21, 2002 9:38 pm

I must admit after looking at it carefully it does give me a kind of impression that it's a bit different than the other B744s. Pardon me if I'm wrong here but there can't be any difference.

It's just the same as me.. Qantas B744s always gives me the impression that they are a little larger than the others especially compared to BA's.

Just the colors that affects us maybe?  Smile
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Thu Aug 22, 2002 12:08 am

No Mr.BA, the logoo has definitely been modified a bit.
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:27 am

Very subtle change, hardly noticeable as you can see on this 744. Enlarge for better view.

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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:01 am



It could be that this particular aircraft has a slightly different paint
scheme on the tail. This aircraft came from VARIG and was prepped
for GARUDA at Mobile, AL. The other B747-400s came direct from
Boeing, and as such would conform to the company standard.
Dont forget GA leases alot of different aircraft for the HAJJ, so its
also possible you have seen one of these aircraft at various times.
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:56 am

Never notice that before. But perhaps the 744 is considered by Garuda as their flagship which would explain why the tail is a little different.
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Thu Aug 22, 2002 12:59 pm

Garudarod might have a point.
I know in the previous livery, NZ 744 ZK-SUI (also an ex Varig aircraft) had a very slightly different tail design to the rest of the 744 fleet.
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Thu Aug 22, 2002 2:32 pm

How many 744s does Garuda have?
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Thu Aug 22, 2002 2:36 pm

Oh yeah, aren't all GA 744s tails like that?
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Thu Aug 22, 2002 3:24 pm

They've got 3.

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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:26 pm

Certainly seems like a very slight difference to me!

By the way when are GA going to replace the 742's?
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The F

Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:06 pm

Maybe the logo-file send to the company painting the aircraft was very rough, so the painters had to take a little bit of freedom or were ? As a creative director I run across this problem sometimes, that clients don´t have proper files of their own logos.
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Thu Aug 22, 2002 10:10 pm

I must have too much time on my hands...
Forget the Hajj ones, they're bound to come up with "funny logos"...

All the 744s have a "hard corner" on the feathers... (PK-GSI having the "stiffest" corner in my impression, Garudaord maybe correct in it's "unique" origin being the culprit but the 744s do have a different tail...)
All the 742s, 733/4/5s, DC10, former MD11, A300 (B4 & 600s) have a "smooth corner" on the feathers
All the A333s have something between the 744 and 742 style logos.

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Only the 744 is different... see how "straight" the 744 feathers are... PK-GSI is "too blatantly different!"...
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Thu Aug 22, 2002 10:24 pm

ZK-NBT,

The DC10 is slated for retirement before the 742s. The delay in the 777 delivery is limiting GA's long haul network as the DC10s don't venture that far out (PER is NOT far !  Smile ) DC10s are supplementing heavy domestic route (CGK-UJP-MDO and CGK-DPS), but this route will be filled by the 734s GA is getting as part of the delay in 777 delivery compromise.

Nothing is known of the fate of the 737-700 orders (what's it gonna replace etc)... GA is looking for 734 size planes. Maybe the 737-700s will replace the -500s into smaller airports... if the runways are strong enough for the -500 destinations!

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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Fri Aug 23, 2002 4:36 pm

Cool so the 742's will be around for another 3-4 years at least probably.
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Fri Aug 23, 2002 7:18 pm

When will GA retire the DC-10s?
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:28 pm

Je89W,
I expect DC10s will be out in 2006 - 2008 when the 772s come in.
Some DC10s will be out of service possibly as early as end of 2003 when the extra 734s come in.

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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:35 pm

734's for DC10's?? I spose though the 10's are only used on short haul now so maybe 2 734's for 1 DC10 or something. Those DC10's are 23 to 26 years old!! Are the 772's definatly still coming?? Also what will replace the 742's, will they get another 2-3 744's to operate to Europe or will they go for 772's aswell??
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Fri Aug 23, 2002 9:59 pm

Probably just a stencil anomaly where the aircraft was painted.
It's hardly noticeable.
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Sat Aug 24, 2002 10:09 am

Yes, then I can catch the DC-10s next year when I'm in Singapore!!!

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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Sat Aug 24, 2002 4:51 pm

Je89W:
Yes, DC10s replaced 734s for domestic. This will add frequency on the once daily CGK-UJP-MDC, as Lion and Mandala have launched a lucrative 2x daily flights. This enables people in Manado to leave in the morning instead of lunch time. Garuda's been eye-ing this extra flight for a while. Furthermore, CGK-MDC direct could also happen when the extra 737s come in. Other segments with DC10s on domestic is only CGK-DPS... Which utilises idle widebodies anyway. Don't think the 734s will enter this segment much.

Informers at GA have told me GA plans to use 772s for CGK-Zurich, Rome and Paris. Originally, the 772 was supposed to go CGK-NRT and FUK and Nagoya. The A330s have filled these routes with good results. But in times of bad wx, the A330s tend to show it's slower speed, something that GA is not happy about. NRT is now served by A333 and 744.

No plans on the 742s yet. 742s will be relegated to middle eastern duties (Jeddah, Riyadh and Dammam). Plus the 742s are still useful for Hajj duties.

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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Sat Aug 24, 2002 7:34 pm

I really wish my life was so complete that minor differences in Garuda's tail fin logo were a priority issue...  Insane
 
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RE: Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet

Sat Aug 24, 2002 10:36 pm

Not sure if anyone noticed, but the winglet logo on -GSI is similar to the tail logo on -GSA. Therefore different to it's OWN tail.

Albeit only slightly.

Surely the branding should have been the same. The above examples would be like using a different font all together.


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