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CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 12:33 am

I spoke to a friend on mine the other day who is a Manager for the SJC airport. He told me CX is "very interested" in starting SJCHKG service. They have been to visit the airport at least twice. They would use a 747-400 for the route, (once 30L is open again). This would be an awesome sight!
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:26 am

It seems pretty likely if you ask me. SJC has a large software market and HKG has a large business market. Also, AA has a decent hub at SJC so there would probably be connecting pax.

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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:30 am

How would this affect CX's SFO flights? Is there enough regional/connecting traffic in the Bay area to support both services?
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:30 am

I was under the impression that SJC was mainly an O&D focus city for AA. Also, the economy around here hasn't been the best lately. You know you've got issues when law firms start firing people... I actually thought that AA would be cutting its SJC-NRT service with the annoucements of the new route structure.
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 3:22 am

How has the demise of the dot bombs affected SJC traffic? Has there been any significant impact?
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 11:29 am

Perhaps as a connecting flight from SFO?

 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 11:32 am

One more thing, I SERIOUSLY doubt that they will use a B 747-400 all the way from HKG to SJC. Do they have enough traffic, payloads etc etc? Its simply too big for this route.

What about an A 340-300?

Maybe as a connecting flight from SFO yes.

Also, do they have enough B 747-400s? Although I heard rumours that they might order a few B 747-400QLR.
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 11:42 am

I would presume in that case would they be better off in terams of load to do
SJC-NRT-HKG
with 777 and codeshare with AA ?
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:26 pm

Can SJC even handle a 747-400, physically? I read that even AA had to get special permission to fly a 777 to NRT.
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:41 pm

If CX does seriously look at SJC-HKG, it will not be flown by a 747-400 (there's no gates at Terminal A that can accommodate a 744 easily). It will probably be flown by A340-300's instead.

Now, CI flying SJC-TPE might actually make more sense, given that the southern part of the San Francisco Bay Area has a large contingent of Taiwanese ex-patriates. Such a flight will be flown by either the A340-300 (if CI hangs on to them) or the 777-200ER if CI chooses to buy them.
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:51 pm

AA tried SJC-TPE last year. The 777 flight was full. But due to the sharp drop of demand after September 11, causing global economic turmoil, the route was dropped.

Perhaps mainly due to the high-tech sector gets sharp decline of needs after September 11, when suffering the bursting bubbles of dot com.

Not sure if CI will fly SJC-TPE, because it may be difficult to maintain a daily flight of SJC-TPE and SFO-TPE.
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:56 pm

The B 747-400 is simply too big for this route. At least as a start. It makes no sense.

The A 340-300 should be used instead, if they really want to fly to SJC.

Can SJC handle a B 747-400?
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 2:27 pm

Yes SJC can handle a 744, the new FIS gate A1C or A1A I believe will handle a 744 in the new FIS, it does block gate A2 from use while on the gate. The new runway once open will be 11,000 feet long so the airport can handle the 744. According to SJC ops the 744 could be approved for SJC if CX does express serious interest in the route. The main issue right now is that CX wants to leave around 0100, but due to the SJC curfew CX would need to retime the flight to arrive in HKG to meet up with connecting traffic.
Although I doubt we would see this till next year at the earliest, I think eventually we will see more long haul out of SJC>
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 3:49 pm

SJC-NRT has been around for over a decade, and I think the route has proved itself enough that we won't see it being cut anytime soon. However, if SJC-HKG was started, then the NRT flight would see a not-insignificant drop in connecting passengers. I flew HKG-NRT-SJC on CX/AA a year or two ago, and remember a large number of people going from Hong Kong to San Jose connecting in Narita.

In any case, SJC-HKG is still a possibility. CX will obviously use the A340 or 777 (do they have ER versions?) if they do start the flight. Using a 747 on an entirely new route like that would be foolish.

I imagine we'd also see service cutbacks at SFO if CX opens up SJC. Perhaps one or both of the twice daily 747s downgraded to a 777 or A340.

It'd be nice to see some variet at SJC, though!

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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 3:55 pm

There is not a chance that HKG-SFO will connect on to SJC. Depending on the clearance you get its a 10-20min flight. They would be much better off starting a bus service. The idea of flying a 747 SFO-SJC is just crazy. REally, how many people do you expect would sit for a hour at SFO just to take a 10min connector flight which takes only 30min in a car
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:55 pm

The B 777s that CX have are NON-ER versions and they cannot fly from HKG to SFO.

It will interesting if they deploy the B 747-400 for HKG-SJC but I certainly doubt they will. It is not economical at all! They simply can't fill up a B 744 for this route. HKG-SFO, yes. But not SJC. Perhaps an A 340-300.....
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:15 pm

How about AA flying SJC-HKG with 777?
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:59 pm

Cathay flies daily to SFO, not twice daily. I wouldn't see the point of flying SJC/HKG given, as someone pointed out, it's a 30 minute drive. It would be like Cathay suddenly deciding to start flying from Newark as well as JFK.
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:14 pm

SJC/HKG is a 30 minute drive?! What kind of car do you have!! LOL!!

Cathay are planning to go double daily SFO in the future, so it could well be that we go to SJC from there, however, I have not even heard rumours of this from within....then again, I am Cathay staff, so don't expect me to be told anything by management in advance!
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:02 pm

I also don't see the point of flying SJC. Unless they have a stop between HKG - SJC or it just doesn't seem right. Well take it as example SQ serves EWR and JFK but via Amsterdam and Frankfurt respectively, so they're aiming different markets.

There's quite a high demand for HKG - SFO, it's not strange to see CX go double daily. But what would UA or SQ re-act if this does happen?

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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:52 pm

9V-SPK,

UA had a DOUBLE daily flight to SFO back in 1996/1997 before the introduction of the HKG-ORD route. They were UA 805/806 and UA 835/836.

They PLANNED to restart their second daily flight to San Francisco in Summer 1999. It was on the schedule but they never took off. I booked a flight on UA 835 and I was forced to switch to 805 instead.

 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:10 am

JFK-EWR and SFO-SJC seems like different case to me.

JFK service is mostly aimed as those passengers in the New York and Manhattan Area.

EWR service is mostly aimed as those passengers who don't live within downtown New York/Manhattan area.

SFO/SJC seems to be a really close area geographically, despite SJC is very close to the Silicon Valley. But since SFO/SJC does not like New York, I 'm not sure whether there'll be market to maintain both SFO and SJC.
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:14 am

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SJC to SFO is no where near a 30 minute car ride. It's thirty minutes from PA up to SFO, and a good 15 down to SJC, and that's with zero traffic. Realistically, it's 40 minutes with no traffic (never happens) and at least an hour at any reasonable guess.

Still though, a connection from SFO-SJC is completely ludacris.
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Fri Aug 23, 2002 3:22 am

What is sjchkg? Ohhhh you mean SJC-HKG service......
 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Fri Aug 23, 2002 5:28 am

I totally disagree with the assesment made here. SJC-to asia will work.

Majority of business traveling and foriegn population are concerntrated in south and east bay. From fremont it takes me about 1 hour to get to SFO where SJC can be reached in 20 minutes.

CI currently has free bus rides for pax in the southbay to SFO. I think SJC-TPE, SJC-HKG, SJC-Shanghai would be great for business travellers. I for one would be much happier if I can leave from SJC instead of SFO.

The only problem that I had with AA on SJC-TPE run was the stupid custom that requires you to claim your bag twice plus a 30 minute ride around the airport.

 
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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Fri Aug 23, 2002 4:01 pm

I tend to agree with Chiawei; I think it's entirely possible that CX, rather than adding a second SFO-HKG run, might add an SJC-HKG run. The two airports are close enough that last-minute flyers can effectively use either flight, but there's certainly a large crowd. And, according to the timetable, AA has 54 flights into SJC as compared to 51 to SFO, so a significant amount of traffic can be fed through SJC as well.

I know I'd love to see it. SFO is a pain.

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RE: CX "Considers" Sjchkg

Fri Aug 23, 2002 4:43 pm

I think once the new Federal Inspection Service facilities at SJC are in place, I wouldn't be surprised that CX starts a SJC-HKG service using the A340-300.