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Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:20 pm

According to the Managing Director and CEO of Air New Zealand, Ralph Norris, they are strengthening/rebuilding their Domestic as well as International Network. And they are currently negotiating new rights to carry 5th Freedom Traffic between Hong Kong and London.

And up to Hong Kong:

We're stepping up from 3 to 5 connections a week on a year round basis.

Looking further out : we're currently negotiating new rights to carry 5th freedom traffic between Hong Kong and London.

This step would provide us with an alternative UK route over Europe and Asia, and make us a "round the world" airline in our own right.


Please go to:
http://www.airnz.com.hk/mediacentre/pressreleases/index.jsp?articleId=22145&pid=12001>

They are considering service between HKG and LHR, in order to make this a 'Round the World' service.

A number of service upgrades have also been mentioned...
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:24 pm

This was floated sometime last year, but I guess 9/11 got in the way and nothing was heard. I assume it is being considered again.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:31 pm

Good news that Air NZ are looking to expand internationally!! They need more long haul aircraft in the future then. It appears that maybe Air NZ want 2 daily flights to LHR and codeshare to the other European cities.

The Nagoya part kind of confused me where it said they are lifting daily capacituy by upgrading from 767 to 747 aircraft, there are not enough 744's to operate to Nagoya this coming Southern summer, and daily well currently there are only 3 weekly 763's!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:32 pm

They were about to start service between HKG to LHR in October 2001 but many thanks to 9.11 and the demise of Ansett Australia.

The initial plan was to get Ansett flying between SYD and LAX in order free up two NZ B 744s for this route.

They need two additional aircraft if they are to start service between HKG and LHR. According to an NZ staff, its likely to be the B 747-400.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:35 pm

Good news indeed.

Perhaps they need to purchase additional aircraft.....  Smile
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:39 pm

Only time will tell but at this stage they are looking down the track a couple of years anyway so for now no additional aircraft are needed. You never no though they may order the 772ER or A340 and use these to fly the route.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:42 pm

Its likely that they will stick with Boeing for widebodies with their large B 767-300 Fleet.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Fri Aug 23, 2002 9:42 pm

It's not easy to get 5th freedom rights on HKG - LHR, i think it might probably take ages unless Hong Kong abandons the closed sky policies that they have been using and follow BKK or SIN with the Open - Sky Policy.
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Fri Aug 23, 2002 10:09 pm

9V-SPK,

Air New Zealand already have flight rights between HKG and LHR. It was obtained at the age of DC 8.

Regards.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 1:13 am

Not at all sure that other Boeing aircraft will be chosen, although admittedly the 777 is in with a very good chance. The selection of the A32X to replace the 737s (which were by no means old aircraft, being late model 733s) was a surprise and with a relationship with QF mentioned, the 332 must be considered as having a very good chance. It would be an ideal 763 replacement.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 2:38 am

ANZ has been "considering" HKG-LHR for a long time.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 6:20 am

Maybe they want to grab some passengers off CX and SQ! Quite a lot on my last CX flight to HKG from AKL are going onto Europe. Part of them are having stopovers in Asia, but most of them just preferring having the PTVs for such a long flight......

It'll be good for AirNZ to do HKG-LHR, provided that they can compete with CX, in terms of its services, or the ticket prices....
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 11:54 am

Their B 767-300s are sttill very new. They need not be replaced.
 
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 1:10 pm

If they do it they will do it with 744s or 763s they wont do it with new aircraft i doubt it .

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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 1:15 pm

They PLANNED to use the B 747-400 to fly on this route but everything was put on hold.

I doubt the B 767-300ERs have the range to fly from HKG to LHR.

I would say its likely that they will deploy the B 747-400.

I heard that HKG-AKL is quite full on certain days of the week, especially during peak season. Possible to upgrade a few flights from B 763s to B 744s?

Air New Zealand flew their B 747-200s into HKG before.  Smile
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 1:59 pm

Branson suggested a B 747-400 between HKG and SYD for DJ, not VS. Please do a search.

As for NZ, HKG-LHR, read carefully........

http://www.airnz.com.hk/mediacentre/pressreleases/index.jsp?articleId=22145&pid=12001

NZ may well sustain a B 747-400 twice a week from HKG-AKL during PEAK seasons, especially if they are to start service between HKG and LHR.

 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 3:33 pm

A 763ER certainly couldn't fly HKG-LHR!!

Air NZ has to renew it's 5th Freedom rights for HKG-LHR, the airline has had the rights since the 1960's!

If they are to fly HKG-LHR I would say it will be the same plane from AKL in order to be a true round the world flight. A routing of AKL-HKG-LHR-LAX-AKL or vv.

This summer Air NZ's 744's will be fully utilized so HKG will be lucky to see any.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 3:42 pm

You are right. Since 1960. At the age of DC 8s. Actually when did they retire their last DC 8? Early 80s I suppose?????

I understand that HKG-AKL will go DAILY soon. If the flight goes on to LHR, then they can't fly daily from HKG to AKL.

I would say they should use a separate aircraft.

They should pick 1 to 2 additional B 747-400s IF they are to start service between HKG and LHR.

Just my 2 cents.

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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 4:34 pm

December 15, 1981: Final NZ DC8 pax flight (MEL-WLG)

September 1989: Final NZ DC8 cargo flight.
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 4:43 pm

Thanks TG 992.

ZK-NBT, when will you install ICQ? Please do it ASAP so that we can chat on live.

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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sat Aug 24, 2002 10:33 pm

Shame that they didn't go for a AKL-KUL-LHR route - which I'm sure would have done very well indeed!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 6:51 am

If ANZ flies AKL-KUL, then I think they better fly AKL-BKK first. It's all because Star Alliance hub.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 9:38 am

Bigo747

It is for this very reason that ANZ should operate into KUL - since TG already operates AKL-BKK and onto LHR and SQ does the same via SIN. There is currently no direct service between LHR and KUL and KUL and AKL with a STAR alliance member.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 9:43 am

Mas777, with the current financial situation, ANZ is unlikely to fly to a new destination that's not a primary or secondary STAR hub.

ANZ needs a destination that other Star Alliance partner can feed ANZ traffic.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 10:10 am

Consider this:
ANZ is looking at LHR-HKG as the "only" Star operator who already has an approval to fly the sector. It will require the support of ANA, SQ and TG to ensure it is viable
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The second issue is that it also requires an Australian feed, and to support a HKG-LHR service, ANZ is looking also at a SYD/MEL - HKG service. Initially this would be a 744 (and possibly a combi), with the 763 flying from NZ and complexing in HKG. Again remember ANZ was quite successful with their cargo DC-8. There are a number of 744 Combis available in early 2004.

A lot of work still to be done, and it is still a couple of years away. The other thing is that this keeps Dixon at QF honest - something for him to worry about (competition on SYD-HKG) and no opportunity to grab the LHR flow-on.

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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 10:14 am

I doubt that Air NZ will fly to KUL in the near future even though no star carrier flies between AKL-KUL or KUL-LHR.

I believe MH is planning to do AKL daily again soon though.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 12:02 pm

I heard that QF plans to fly HKG-LHR. They are negotiating flight rights between these two cities.

The second issue is that it also requires an Australian feed, and to support a HKG-LHR service, ANZ is looking also at a SYD/MEL - HKG service.

If Virgin Blue is to start service between HKG and SYD, according to Richard Branson (Please do a search), I would expect Air New Zealand to codeshare with them. But it would be interesting to see ANZ flying between SYD/MEL-HKG.

There are a number of 744 Combis available in early 2004.

From who?

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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 12:11 pm

There are a number of 744 Combis available in early 2004.

From who?


EVA Airways.

EVA Airways is preparing to retire it's entire Boeing 747 fleet when the new 777 aircraft arrives. Of course, that includes 10 Combi.

That's what I heard from EVA from the beginning of the year, and Justplanes mentioned that EVA will retire 744 soon.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:15 pm

Yeah. That's what I heard from their CEO at the beginning of the year. However, I later heard that they have changed their mind and they are not retiring their B 747 fleet anytime soon.

Not sure.......

If Air New Zealand is to expand globally, for example, MEL/SYD-HKG, LHR-HKG etc etc, they certainly need additional aircraft. From what I heard, the B 747-400QLR/B 777-200ER are on the cards. So as the A 330-300 and the 340-300/500.

Just my 1 cent.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:16 pm

So are you saying that Air NZ are going to fly 744 Combi's, why would they do that?

MH also have 2 744M's that are stored!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:24 pm

Des EVA's 744 fleet is being retired so I guess if NZ need 744M's they most likely would come from them! They won't start leaving for a little while yet, only the Freighters will stay.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:25 pm

Bigo747

It is for this very reason that ANZ should operate into KUL - since TG already operates AKL-BKK and onto LHR and SQ does the same via SIN. There is currently no direct service between LHR and KUL and KUL and AKL with a STAR alliance member.


Quite true but I doubt this will happen anytime soon. Maybe in the future..


Mas777, with the current financial situation, ANZ is unlikely to fly to a new destination that's not a primary or secondary STAR hub.

The Financial Situation of Air New Zealand is getting better and better. At least they have moved towards buying new aircraft (The A 320s). We'll see.


So are you saying that Air NZ are going to fly 744 Combi's, why would they do that?

MH also have 2 744M's that are stored!


If they did well with their Cargo DC 8s, it makes sense that they operate the B 747-400 M.

Yes MH also have 2 B 744Ms that are stored.


 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:28 pm

Des EVA's 744 fleet is being retired so I guess if NZ need 744M's they most likely would come from them! They won't start leaving for a little while yet, only the Freighters will stay.

I heard that they will be replaced by B 777-300ERs. That I am not sure. Not sure about this. But when will this take place?


 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:30 pm

Actually, why are they retiring their B 747-400Ms? They aren't that old to be frank. I heard that they are not happy with their cargo payloads. Can anyone confirm this?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:34 pm

I don't no to be honest.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:38 pm

The B 747 will remain for a very long time. Sad that Eva might retire their B 747-400s, if not a definite will.......

It would be interesting if Air New Zealand picks up a few B 747-400M.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:51 pm

What a bunch of tossers Air NZ are!

Ansett was all set to fly Mel/Syd - Hkg - Lhr. But of course thanks to Air NZ that never happened! I guess they see it as a profitable addition to their LAX - LHR service & as airports like Chek Lap Kok & KLIA are offering cheap landing fees to any new or existing airline/s to expand services, why not!

It was Ansett who was to have inaugurated this service though!

Not sour, just cant stand Air NZ! They cost me my job!

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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:53 pm

The Financial Situation of Air New Zealand is getting better and better. At least they have moved towards buying new aircraft (The A 320s). We'll see.

If we put aside the financial situation, I still doubt that NZ would launch a new Asian route that's not either Major and secondary Star hub. If they want to launch a new route or destination, the destination should be either a STAR's primary hub or secondary.

The order for A320 is not actually a buy, some are lease.


On a side note, as for EVA retiring 744.

Few weeks ago, when we have the drama about whether CI should buy 330 or 777, EVA has actually told the media that they might reconsider the 777 plan, because this will affect the company's growth in the next decade (2005-2015). The 777-200LR/-300ER (perhaps they change their mind to A340-500/-600) will be replacing the current entire 15 B747-400 (including 10 Combi), starting 2005.

EVA is raising the Cargo in its Pax:Cargo ratio from the original 6:4 to 4:6. with the retirement of the 744 Combi, I guess EVA could get additional 744F.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 2:03 pm

777-200LR/-300ER (perhaps they change their mind to A340-500/-600) will be replacing the current entire 15 B747-400 (including 10 Combi), starting 2005.

They denied it. They might keep the B 747-400s for a while longer. At least the passenger ones. Who knows?


VH-BZF,

Sorry to hear that. E-mail me. Hey you know Jenny Newman?


The order for A320 is not actually a buy, some are lease.

I understand. But at least they moved towards buying something.  Smile
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Sun Aug 25, 2002 2:20 pm

So, is China Airlines going with Boeing?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Mon Aug 26, 2002 2:28 am

United Airline:

The reason why EVA "denies" the 744 retirement is that they are currently re-evaluating the 777X order. They don't want to be the 2nd CI to get involved with the "political+commerical chaos" like CI suffered.

I said again, the new 7 B777-200LR/-300ER will be replacing 15 B747-400 (includ. 10 Combi) from 2005, according to current EVA Air's plan.

EVA wants to make the age of the individual plane under 10 years. Currently the oldest, B17401, is now almost 10 years now. It'll be the first one to go.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Mon Aug 26, 2002 3:08 am

What a shame that they didn't choose the B 747-400ER/QLR instead.......

 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Mon Aug 26, 2002 4:03 am

Um, no Boeing 747 salesperson here  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Mon Aug 26, 2002 12:13 pm

About China Airlines, Boeing is very sure that they'll receive orders from CI.

Someone mentioned about the A330-300. I don't think A330-300 will work on HKG-LHR due to the range limit.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Mon Aug 26, 2002 2:28 pm

The A 330-300? No way!

I heard that China Airlines still have a few B 747-400s on order. And they plan to order a few more. Can anyone confirm this?

Well, I hope the B 747 will be as successful as it is for many years to come.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Mon Aug 26, 2002 2:32 pm

By the way, has anyone seen ZK-SUH recently? It is now back in service.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Mon Aug 26, 2002 2:36 pm

An A330-300 couldn't fly HKG-LHR wouldn't come close.

Air NZ would likely use the 744 or get new 772ER's.

Don't no if CI still have 744 pax on order but they probably have freighters on order though, they may order more to replace the 742F's.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Mon Aug 26, 2002 2:40 pm

I saw ZK-SUH at the Air NZ jet base on Saturday it was then towed to the terminal and operated NZ2 to LAX-LHR on SAT 24th.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR

Mon Aug 26, 2002 4:08 pm

If the Demand of HKG-LHR is very high, it makes more sense to use the B 747-400.

I heard that CI still have a few B 747-400s on order. And they might order a few more in the future.