Leo
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Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sat Aug 31, 2002 8:37 pm

Several airlines operate unique long-haul routes, that result from the special relationship between different countries or regions. Capacity is way above what would 'normally' be expected.

Examples:

Air France:
CDG-Faaa 3x weekly with B747-400
CDG-St. Martin daily with A340
CDG-Reunion with B747-300

KLM:
AMS-Paramaribo 5x weekly with B747-300
AMS-Aruba daily with MD11 & B747-300
AMS-Bonaire daily with MD11
AMS-Curacao 5x weekly with B747-300
AMS-St. Maarten 1x weekly with B747-300

SNBA:
BRU-Kinshasa 5x weekly with A330

CO:
USA-Guam daily B767

Any other famous examples of unique long-haul routes ??






 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sat Aug 31, 2002 9:46 pm

There are many postcolonial flights between Europe and the rest of the world. Almost all of TAP Air Portugal flights to Africa (Beira, Maputo, Sao Tomé etc.) could be considered as examples of that. I don´t say that TP:s flights to Brazil are solely postcolonial. There are of course geographic reasons for that as well.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sat Aug 31, 2002 9:50 pm

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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:41 pm

Iberia and Spanair are flying from Madrid to Malabo/Equatorial Guinea. It is an ex colony and the only African country where Spanish is the official language.

IB is flying with a B 752 and JK with an A 320.

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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 12:01 am

@Sabena332
Sorry, but IB and JK are not the only airlines serving SSG out of Europe! Swissair and now Swiss flies to this destination twice a week with the MD-11. So this route isn't unique for the Spanish carriers.

@ARN
Does TAP still fly to Beira with its own aircraft!?

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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 12:04 am

Sorry, but IB and JK are not the only airlines serving SSG out of Europe! Swissair and now Swiss flies to this destination twice a week with the MD-11. So this route isn't unique for the Spanish carriers.

Oh, I did not know that LX is serving SSG too. Thanks for the information.

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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 12:27 am

Malaysia Airlines flies two very unique long-haul routes:

Kuala Lumpur-Johannesburg-Cape Town-Buenos Aires
Kuala Lumpur-Dubai-New York

 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 12:33 am

I have always considered AAs rdu-lgw flight a little bit odd...
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 12:40 am

Some time ago there was a discussion thread on LAN Chile Introducing Santiago - Madrid - Beirut (I think) - Denpasar - Sydney. That one would qualify here!
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 12:52 am

Hello,

I am not sure about the load but Toronto has long haul flight to Kiev (Air Ukraine) and Helsinki (Finnair, only seasonal though). I think these are quite unqiue. But these services are probably serving the ethnic communities in the region (not colonial relations).
Maybe Icelandair should try a route to Gander!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 1:04 am

SQ Hong Kong - Las Vegas?

To be honest, who would have ever thought of SQ flying to Las Vegas at first?

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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 1:04 am

Maybe Icelandair should try a route to Gander!

You laugh, but Icelandair used to operate KEF-BGR for a number of years. Not sure if its still around.
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 1:22 am

I wasn't laughing!!  Insane
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 1:24 am

B747-437B,
Icelandair no longer serves BGR  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Leo,
I beleive Hewa Bora Airways of the Democratic Republic of Congo also serves the BRU-FIH route with their Tristars.

Cheers!
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:01 am

Well, there's always SAS route to Sondre Stromfjord, Greenland. (althought it's being discontinued)


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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:02 am

Condor 763 FRA-Whitehorse
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:33 am

ET-Eithopian Airlines
Addis Ababa-Bangkok-Hong Kong B767
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 3:12 am

EVA Air used to operate TPE-LAX-Panama. Panama is one of the few countries that recognize Taiwan, so there's lots of government traffic between the two countries, even though they are small relatively speaking.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 3:49 am

The Ukraine and Finnair flights to YYZ are to support the Ukrainian & Finnish communities.

The Condor flight to Whitehorse is due to a strong tourism push by Yukon in Germany.

LAS is being marketed strongly to Asians. JA and NW already operate transpac flights from LAS.

The AA LGW-RDU route is a remnant of the now-defunct AA RDU hub. AA still holds the authority.

The Malaysian BA-Capetown exploits a market oppy that Aerolineas Arg & SAA have abandoned.



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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 4:05 am

To me a route like KUL-DXB-JFK on MAS does not qualify as many airlines fly to all three cities, and many airlines can offer connections between these cities.

The same could be said for SIA's HKG-LAS as many carriers will be able to offer pax at least a connecting service into both cities.

....

A route qualifies for the title 'unique' if no other airline flies scheduled long-haul service into a certain 'funny' destination, such as;

# Faaa
# Paramaribo
# Cayenne
# Sondre Stromfjord

etc....

 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 4:15 am

Icelandair / AC really should try maybe introducing a route to Gander or St.John's from Reykjavik. Lief is the first European to step foot on the Americas (in Newfoundland Canada) and try colonizing the place (although short-lived). That's something quite remarkable, especially for the Norse and Canadians.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 7:38 am

While not "odd," one unique international route is (or was) United's Round the World LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-IAD-LAX flight UA001/002.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 8:13 am

TAP don't fly to Beira anymore. They code-share with LAM.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 9:35 am

Seeing that all the routes listed seem to be very colonial in nature, there is in fact nothing unique about them. If one were to look at the route structure of the carriers of the European countries that held colonies, they would see a clear pattern.

 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 10:54 am

Leo - Papeete, Tahiti (Faaa) isn't really that odd. With respect to flights to/from Paris, in addition to Air France, there is at the moment Corsair fly the route once a week (soon they will be stopping) with a 747-300 usually, Air Tahiti Nui fly it twice a week I believe with an A340-300, soon to increase to four times. Air Lib used to fly it 3 times weekly with an A340, I am not certain if they still do.

In addition the routes is well served to Auckland and Los Angeles by Air New Zealand and Air Tahiti Nui, and the latter also serves Tokyo and Osaka. Other international airlines present at PPT are Polynesian Airlines, Aircalin, Lan Chile and Hawaiian Airlines, while United and Qantas codeshare on Air New Zealand and Air Tahiti Nui respectively.

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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 12:41 pm

Leo - I mentioned MAS' KUL-DXB-EWR as unique because Malaysia Airlines is the only carrier to serve Dubai-New York nonstop. Something perhaps we would expect from Emirates or Gulf Air.

 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Sun Sep 01, 2002 5:05 pm

MAS777:

But you can get from KUL to NYC (even EWR) with many carriers, both over Europe and the Pacific.

Who do you want to fly if you want to go from KUL to PBM or BON.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Mon Sep 02, 2002 6:42 am

Many years ago SAS flew CPH-FRA-Trinidad/Tobago. Although it was only in the winter I always thought it was quite strange. I fact they did it quit many years.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Mon Sep 02, 2002 6:46 am

Does Finnair still have their BGR-HEL route?
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Mon Sep 02, 2002 12:57 pm

EVA Air used to operate TPE-LAX-Panama. Panama is one of the few countries that recognize Taiwan, so there's lots of government traffic between the two countries, even though they are small relatively speaking.

Frankly, EVA never made any profit for Panama City flight.

EVA flew to Panama City is because that they see a potential market between Asia and Latin America despite the service is a one-stop flight.

EVA was planning to set up an airline based in Panama City, so it can feed it's TPE-LAX-PTY traffic to Latin America and the Caribbean. However, COPA opposed the plan, forcing EVA to shelved it.

EVA's parent, Evergreen Group is the biggest Taiwanese investor in Panama. Almost half of it's Evergreen Marine fleet are registered in Panama. As a result, Panama Government has a good relationship with Evergreen Group.

The reason why they use 747-400Combi is because Panama never get any 747 service (KLM used MD11 at that time). This is because they want to make Panama feel "proud" and shows that Evergreen Group its commited to the country's economy, eventhough EVA Air knows it'll never make any profit with a 747 on this route, especially they have the rights for LAX-PTY sector.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Mon Sep 02, 2002 2:37 pm

Varig´s 3xweek service GRU-LAX-NGO is quite strange. It was probably to complement 4xweek GRU-LAX-NRT, and make the Japan route daily, but I never quite got it.
Before they could have operated into KIX as opposed to NGO, and now with the second runway at Narita, they should have asked for more slots. Varig is no new entrant in Japan, I am sure they could get them.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Tue Sep 03, 2002 7:05 am

Varig has a handful of flights out of secondary Brazilian cities:

Belem to Miami

Fortazela to Milan

Manaus to Miami

Recife to Lisbon

Salvador to Frankfurt, Madrid, Miami, Milan, Paris

Recife and Fortazela also have Miami flights, but they are currently suspended.
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Tue Sep 03, 2002 7:57 am

One thing ht athave always struck me as an odd flight, was Varig's LHR-CPH. I mean, is there really a market on that route (not counting people getting on at LHR)? Or did Varig simply see the need to have the aircraft airborne for the time that it takes to get to/from CPH?
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Tue Sep 03, 2002 9:06 am

I think SAA's CPT-JNB-Cape Verde-ATL-CPT-JNB run is pretty strange. For one, it is the longest non-stop flight DISTANCE wise (not time wise). The US and South Africa do not have any colonial ties or anything like that, and I'm not aware of a huge South African population in Atlanta, although my across the street neighbor is South African. Delta's feed must be why they serve ATL, but it is still weird.

Continental's flight from HNL to GUM flown by the 738 is also really weird. It's not like that flight is actually long haul in any one part, but the distance it covers is that of a long haul flight. It makes 5 stops along the way.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Tue Sep 03, 2002 9:32 am

In the late 1980s I took QF5 from Sydney to Amsterdam, simple enough. The routing was Sydney-Melbourne-Singapore-Bangkok-Bombay(Mumbai)-Athens-Frankfurt-Amsterdam. It was operated by Boeing 747-238 VH-EBK and EBJ. What an epic! http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=SYD-MEL-SIN-BKK-BOM-ATH-FRA-AMS%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=nm&SPEED-GROUND=450&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=

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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Tue Sep 03, 2002 12:58 pm

About MAS flight between Cape Town and EZE, do any South American airlines or African airlines connect the two the continents. If they are the only airline to connect the Africa and South America, that takes the cake.
I can't think of any strong connection between Argentina and Malaysia, so that flight doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Tue Sep 03, 2002 9:11 pm

There was some talk of a Kathmandu - Lhasa - Port Moresby - Melbourne flight operated by Royal Nepal Airlines...the plan was to lease a B777-200...can any of you see any logic in that plan?...777 for RA!!!?....KTM to Darwin!!!!?

There was also talk of a Kathmandu - Male - Cairo route...dont ask why!!

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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Tue Sep 03, 2002 11:19 pm

Hi Spark,

I beleive that TAAG Angola Airlines flys between Luanda (Angola) and Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) so the MAS flights aren't the only ones linking South America with Africa.


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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Wed Sep 04, 2002 12:46 am

One thing ht athave always struck me as an odd flight, was Varig's LHR-CPH. I mean, is there really a market on that route (not counting people getting on at LHR)? Or did Varig simply see the need to have the aircraft airborne for the time that it takes to get to/from CPH?

Well, CPH is a Star Alliance hub, and they probably pick up a lot of SAS passengers. Doesn't SAS also code-share on GRU-LHR-CPH?
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Wed Sep 04, 2002 1:39 am

Air Canada's flights from Halifax via St. John's to LHR and Ottawa to LHR, both because of the British Commonwealth connection, as AC doesn't operate any other international service (other than the US) to either of those cities.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Wed Sep 04, 2002 4:58 am

BA has a few unique routes to former British colonies in Africa. LHR to Lilongwe in Malawi being the most unique but also Lusaka and Harare are unique now that every other European airline has suspended Harare.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Wed Sep 04, 2002 5:58 am

Air Zimbabwe still flys between London Gatwick and Harare though, so BA isn't the only airline on the route.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Wed Sep 04, 2002 8:10 am

South african airways also fly 3xweek JNB GRU.It is a codeshare flight with Varig.Linking africa and south america.
From Buenos Aires almost all flights are unique,we are really far from everywere,but EZE CPT JNB KUL is one of the best in the world,nobody understand that route,but MAS is flying here for a long time ago.
 
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RE: Unique Long-Haul Routes

Wed Sep 04, 2002 10:42 am

LanChile:

SCL-IPC-PPT (Santiago-Isla de Pascua-Papeete)

SCL-AKL-SYD

SCL-LIM-LAX

SCL-LIM-JFK

mis dos pesitos
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