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F100- What Do You Think?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 9:04 am

I am a pretty big fan of the Fokker 100. I've flown on them several times (Midway and AA) on 1-2 hour flights (EWR-RDU,PBI-RDU,ORD-BNA,ORD-EWR) and i must say that it is a great plane. For its size, it is very comfortable, and even sitting next to the engine isn't bad.

What do you think of the F100?
 
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 9:29 am

I like them as well; I enjoy when they deploy the giant speedbrake  Smile

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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 10:57 am

F100 is one of the few jet airliner types I have not experienced. "What I think" of the F100 is that it may be the logical replacement for the ancient DC-9s that remain in service with airlines who will eventually be looking for not-quite-as-ancient replacement types.
 
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 1:44 pm

This is from an AA perspective. The F100 was an expensive aircraft to maintain when compared to other aircraft. Since Fokker went BK and other suppliers were less than enthusiastic in supporting it AA had to manufacture itself some of the parts. This of course drives up costs. As does having to train technicians to work on a plane that has nothing in common with any other airplane in it's fleet.
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:27 pm

Aren't those the main reasons why AA is retiring them?
 
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 10:27 pm

A very quite plane, but not very reliable, high flight cancelation, and heven forbid they have an accident, no exits behind the wing. I'm glad these planes (in the US) are going.
 
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 11:59 pm

I really think it is one of the most spacious planes i've ever been in my life.
I've flown them a couple of times on the MAN-AMS route.
These birds belong to KLM UK.
I'm 6.3'' and i had space to take my shoes off and generally feel very comfortable.
I wouldn't mind flying them again!
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 12:04 am

Having only flown a F100 once. (Air Inter from Ajaccio-Orly back in 1995) I don't remember much. But based on pictures etc. I think it's a very nice and good looking plane. The flightdeck is just not too modern  Smile and the aircarf has the lovly dc9 look. I have also heard that fokker planes are very well build since thay are more hand made than normal. Sadly fokker isn't around so I do understand that keeping the f100 flying might be expensive.

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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 2:50 am

I always liked it. I used it on US from LGA-GSO, DCA-GSO and CLT-GSO. Fun little plane, I always remember that in the bathroom, you pushed a button to turn on the faucetts.
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 3:26 am

I've flown the F-100 a good bit, mostly on the DCA-ORD and TUL-ORD routes. Flew it once on the DFW-COS route. I've known people who thought it was a great plane, but I don't hold that view.

It's an "OK" plane, and I can think of other planes that I don't enjoy as much, and it is most certainly better than a puddle-jumper, but it is not a plane I look forward to traveling in. Imo, it's uncomfortable in the rear of the cabin, feels "crowded", and doesn't give the smoothest of rides. I thought the old DC-9's were better planes, but I didn't get to ride in a lot of them.

An AA pilot once told me, right after the Fokker company went belly-up, that getting parts would be a serious problem one day and he thought AA didn't think the purchase completely through. He didn't elaborate on what "completely through" meant.

I'd give it a 7 out of 10.
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 4:31 am

I flew on a F100 once, on the Toulon-Orly route. The airline was Air Liberté. It is a very nice aircraft, I love the shape of this aircraft. Very comfortable.
I loved it.
 
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 8:30 am

I like them. The big windows are the best! They remind me a mini-MD80. Flown plenty of times on AA F100s

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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:37 am

I am so glad we (AA) are getting rid of the F100s. These "Barbie Dream Jets" are nightmares to work! They're constantly weight restricted, seem to always have something wrong with them, and just are a problem child!

In my opinion, they aren't the most comfortable aircraft, in means of size and spaciousness, however, they're better than a prop! Their old looking interiors, and dated amenities don't help either.
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:43 am

What do I think? WHAT!! DO I THINK?!?!?!?!?

I think the F-100 is a P.O.S. Loud, Smelly, Makes Funny Noises I.F. I think it should be shut out.

Hey, You asked what I thought, and I told
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 11:17 am

>>Loud, Smelly, Makes Funny Noises<<

We're talking about a F100, not a DC9 Big grin
 
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 11:22 am

Lowfareair: And at least the F-100's have real RR engines, before BMW got involved!  Smile

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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 12:27 pm

After working on them every day for 13+ years, I think I'm qualified to say it's a pretty good airplane. Once you understand, and I emphasize UNDERSTAND what makes them tick, it's a pretty easy plane to work on. The guys that don't understand them are the ones that bury their heads back in greasy, old, Diesel 9's
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 1:07 pm

hated my segment on AA, ORD-ALB

would like to get another shot @ F100 before I really blast them, but that was one lousy trip with that craft.
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 1:30 pm

FokkerLover: I think that's a good point -- for operational usage as well. People tend to forget that the F100 was designed for very short routes, and then wonder why its so expenseive to operate on 1,000nm legs.

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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 2:31 pm

Fokkerlover: AMEN!!! Man, you've nailed it to a tee. I cannot understand why that plane gave so many guys such an inferiority complex...And it's not just old Douglas die-hards either. I found it's a well engineered plane with a lot of maintainence friendly features...If some people would just "think outside the box". Quirky? Maybe. Perfect? No. ( "Dutch ovens" anyone? ) A Pain in the a$$ sometimes? Yes...but so is everything else. -- As for the "expensive to maintain" bit: The pigeon-holing of the A/C to oddball status seemed to doom the parts support to a precipitous ride down a slippery slope.
 
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 7:01 pm

The Fokker 100 made a problematic start in the USA because it was the first 'fully digital' aircraft to arrive there.

In those days, the US mechaniscs were not properly trained to deal with the advanced electronic maintenance facilities. They still 'kicked' tires and got out their spanners when things went wrong.

In close cooperation with USAirways and AA, Fokker identified that lack of maintenance training was one of the major issues with the aircraft's reliability. A program was designed to overcome these issues.

In Europe the aircaft always had a higher dispatch reliability because the A310 and other Airbus aircraft were more established and engineers were used to the new 'digital' way of thinking.

At AA the B777's introduction was smoothed by the 'digital' knowledge gained from the Fokkers.

 
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 7:13 pm


I assume to say that the Fokker 100 is a quiet elegant aircraft.Its lines are more or less similar to those of the MD-80s and the wings shape remembers me of the Caravelle ones...Am i wrong ?!!!
The first time i saw a Fokker 100 was in 1991 on an Exxon Aviation magazine.It was a quiet luxurious AA Luxury Liner with its shining metal belly,then i saw it on the Swissair livery,TAM livery and then on Deutsche BA colors.

Few are the Fokker 100s nowadays,and i would say that they would had a respectable career if Fokker is still alive !!!
 
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 7:32 pm

I flew the F100 aswell as the F50 as a passenger. Both aircraft are very, very, comfortable, spacious and quite. Fokker was far ahead in technique, unfortunately they went bankrupted.
 
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:47 pm

Lowfareair: And at least the F-100's have real RR engines, before BMW got involved!

What is this supposed to mean. The BR715 is the best sounding engine in the air as of now (aside from it's parent figure the RB211). Actually, BMW didn't do much in the design phase of this engine. and if you notice, They do not put a BMW sticker on the sides of the engine anymore
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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:48 pm

I have flown as a passenger in Swissair's F-100's right from their introduction into service back in 1989 between BSL and LHR several times and later in the 1990ies between ORY and Bastia on the French island of Corsica. In direct comparison to the DC 9-51 employed on the BSL-LHR sector I considered them to be a real improvement. They were by any means comfortable: spacious and quiet, even at the rear.

It was really sad to see the well-known name of Fokker from the aviation scene due to scrupulous and shady Daimler interests at the time.

Yes, from a passenger perspective it was and still is a good plane.

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RE: F100- What Do You Think?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 2:08 am

I've flown on several US F100s & I like them- it was a shame that they were retired. They were pretty comfortable, and as was mentioned above, sitting by the engine wasn't bad (I had to do it a couple times!) I think it's a pretty nice looking plane as well. I wish more carriers still had them.

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