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Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:03 pm

does anyone know if there is any internacional airline that flies a domestic leg in the us?if yes wich airline and can you buy a ticket on such flight? wich routes?
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:16 pm

Qantas flies JFK-LAX and LAX-JFK you CANNOT buy tickets on this route.

I believe Saudi Arabian flies JFK-IAD on occasion.

 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:29 pm

Yes, a fair amount do, but they only exist as tag-ons. Because of cabotage rules, no non-US based carrier can operate a domestic US route and sell tickets only on the domestic portion. The passengers must be coming from or continuing onward to an international destination.
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 3:00 pm

BA from IAD to IAH and from BWI to CLT. KE also flies from JFK to ANC. None of this routes have traffic rights.
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 12:40 am

Corsair was flying ORY/SFO/LAX/ORY during the summer as well.
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 12:52 am

BA wants the rights to be able to fly within the usa and pick pax up on the way, eg it flies heathrow to la and picks pax up in ny to fill its spare seats, therefore the pax in ny get to la on a cheaper flight. It wants this if there is full open skies between the usa and the uk because us carriers want to same right in the uk.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 1:01 am

what about IBERIA and their A319's??
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 1:07 am

IBERIA's 319's go to the Caribbean from MIA. I understand that you can purchase a ticket to fly from MIA to caribbean destinations on IB. I'm not sure how competitive the prices are.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 2:08 am

EVA flies dali between EWR and Seattle enroute to Taipei.

"BA wants the rights to be able to fly within the usa and pick pax up on the way, eg it flies heathrow to la and picks pax up in ny to fill its spare seats, therefore the pax in ny get to la on a cheaper flight. It wants this if there is full open skies between the usa and the uk because us carriers want to same right in the uk."

US carriers have no interest in flying passengers between LHR and Manchester etc, it's only Richard Branson that wants to fly within the US. BA just wants to launch their alliance with AA, BMI wants to allign closer with UAL.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 2:52 am


I may be wrong....but I thought that I read that Canadian carriers have or will have the right to fly domestic U.S. routes and to pick up passengers. However, they do not exercise it at present because American carriers would be allowed to do the same on Canadian domestic routes.
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 8:03 am

BA used to have a flight some years back that was routed Toronto-New York -Manchester or Birmingham. It was flown with a 757.

Now it's not a domestic route but pretty close. You could buy very cheap tickets from Toronto to New York ($99 Cdn).

I don't believe this flight still operates.



 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 8:45 am

China Airlines has nonstops between Anchorage and
New York(JFK). It is part of the TPE-ANC-JFK flight.
Stopover traffic only for int'l passengers. (i.e. if you fly
TPE-JFK, you can visit ANC for a few days)

 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 8:54 am

I think JL has LAX-LAS but I'm not really sure. Can anyone confirm this?
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 9:00 am

Can you still fly United Airlines from Sydney to Melbourne?
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 9:09 am

JAL used to operate NRT-SFO-LAS but now it looks like the flights have been switched to NRT-LAS non-stops. I dont believe they ever operated LAS-LAX-NRT.
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us

Mon Sep 02, 2002 9:19 am

Typically, if a foreign airline had domestic traffic rights in the US, there would have to be some kind of reciprocal agreement with the foreign government. I do not know of any, though. Unless someone is certain to the contrary, it's a safe bet that no such flights exist today.

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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us

Mon Sep 02, 2002 9:28 am

As mentioned, international airlines are not permitted to fly domestically in the US (with fare paying pax) due to cabotage rights. The closest to this is BA's IAD-IAH sector, although this is only a extension of the LHR-IAH flight.

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LAS To NRT

Mon Sep 02, 2002 9:32 am

Oag.com currently shows JL 25 LAS-LAX-NRT four days a week. And JL 43 is a Saturday-only LAS-NRT one-stop; haven't found out the one stop yet.
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 12:27 pm

Hey-

I know South frican operates a flight from Johannesburg to Atlanta with a stop in Ft. Lauderdale (thats right, FLL not MIA). It only stops when bound for Atlanta, not on the way back ,so it is more of a technical stop. It touches down in FLL at some crazy hour, like 2:30 in the mourning so it can get to Atlanta at a reasonable hour.

Also, did or doesnt BA have a Pheonix to San Diego? I know that Eygpt Air also had a LAX-JFK.

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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 1:13 pm

The FLL Flight is/was SAA #209

I'm not sure if it's still running to FLL or going direct to ATL.
(I'll look it up)

She would get in at 5:30 and would lifting off at 6:20. I'll tell something, It is one hell of a sight to see a 747 do a 45min turnaround.
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 1:24 pm

Only one I can think of is Korean from JFK-Anchorage, and yes you can buy tickets on this route.

Other than that, Ethiopian flies from Newark to Dulles, Saudi Arabian from JFK-Dulles and I believe Orlando as well. EgyptAir and Qantas from JFK-LAX, and EL Al from JFK to LAX/MIA and god knows where else, cant think of anything else at the moment. And no you cannot buy tickets on these flights.
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 2:28 pm

That is why the EU-commission has gone into this, it is not fair an US carrier can go eg, JFK-MAD-ATH, flying with paying passengers MAD-ATH, but not the other way, eg, CPH-EWR-SFO, free market?  Smile
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 2:32 pm

Canadian airlines cannot currently fly within the US. It's still not allowed.

Air Canada is pushing for it though.
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us

Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:53 pm

<< Qantas flies JFK-LAX and LAX-JFK you CANNOT buy tickets on this route. >>

Actually, this is not quite true. American codeshares the domestic leg of the Qantas flight, and you CAN buy an AA roundtrip JFK-LAX-JFK, operated by Qantas. I couldn't believe it myself, when I was looking for flights to PHX recently, but it' true: I booked the return flight using a connection via LAX, with the transcon operated by Qantas, and AA ticketed the itineray without problems.

 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 12:15 am

"JFK-MAD-ATH, flying with paying passengers MAD-ATH",

What US airline does this?

No US airlines operate domestic flights in Europe, Pan Am and I believe TWA were allowed to fly from LHR, CDG and FRA to other countries in Europe. And Pan Am had a regional set up in Berlin, but that was awarded after WWII when there wasn't much of a German airline.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 12:18 am

ba has stated in the past it wishes to do this as part of any open skies package.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us

Tue Sep 03, 2002 12:30 am

Only one I can think of is Korean from JFK-Anchorage, and yes you can buy tickets on this route.

You bring up a good point. This flight is code-shared, and has a DL flight number also. In that case, I guess it can be treated as a DL flight, and you can buy a DL ticket on it. I doubt, though, that you can by a KE ticket from JFK-ANC.

In any event, that flight does not show up on the Delta reservation system, unless you enter JFK-ICN.

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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us

Tue Sep 03, 2002 5:38 am

According to DL's e-timetable, you can't fly JFK-ANC. DL has two "flights" from JFK to ICN daily, one n/s and one one-stop that we all know stops in ANC. DL pax on this flight can't get off the plane in ANC.

One more "domestic" flight that everyone keeps forgetting: BA's LHR-BWI-CLT. Last I checked, US flew CLT-BWI and the pax didn't have to clear customs.

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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 6:21 am

Philippine Airlines does Vancouver to San Francisco. They also do LAX and SFO to HNL for a technical stop on the way to MNL.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 6:51 am

El Al flies MIA-EWR with 777s during the low summer season (right now) and MIA-JFK with 744s during high summer.

STT757, United flies LHR-BRU daily.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 11:04 am

"STT757, United flies LHR-BRU daily"

Yeah they used to have a bunch of others from LHR they flew with 727s after PA.

My point is though is that is not domestic service, that's like BA flying from Toronto-NY which they are allowed to due and pick up Toronto-NY passengers.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 11:10 am

Aeroflot flys from SEA to SFO with a 777, I took a picture of it today  Smile
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 12:47 pm

Are you sure the PAL flight between SFO-HNL is a technical stop?
I would think there would be a significant number of passengers flying between Honolulu and Manila to include have the flight pick up passengers.
A lot of airlines used to fly between Honolulu and California back in the days before the 744. I personally have flown on Qantas. SIA, and CAL on those flights (I may have flown JAL as well, but I don't remember). Those flights are now all gone.
I remember we used to not clear customs on SIA when we landed in Honolulu. I never knew how they worked that out.
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 5:29 pm

I was able to buy a non-rev pass on that China Air ANC-JFK leg that Bobcat brought up, when I worked for Reeve.

NEver had the chance to however
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 5:54 pm

Any country which has negotiated the 8th or 9th Freedom rights with the US can carry passengers on domestic sectors within the US .I do think UK and US have this agreement for specific airlines hence British airways can carry passengers within the US .This is also called cabotage

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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 12:58 am

the routes that are domestic segments are stopover only no online connections.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 3:31 am

Spark,

PAL lists the Honolulu stop as a "technical stop". I am unsure of whether or not passengers are also loaded at that time. I'm guessing no but again, I'm not entirely sure.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 6:12 am

You can also buy tickets on Cathay Pacifics flight from JFK-YVR or even use AAdvantage miles on the route.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 6:17 am

My point is though is that is not domestic service, that's like BA flying from Toronto-NY which they are allowed to due and pick up Toronto-NY passengers.

United is not allowed to carry passengers traveling only between Heathrow and Brussels, because, technically, all of the EU is one big domestic market, even though there are airlines like AR flying intra-EU with intra-EU pax.
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 7:51 am

PHX Flyer unless its changed very recently, which it hasnt, AA should not have ticketed you transcon on the QF metal unless you also have a ticket on QF or the AA codeshare side out of the US.
 
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RE: Any Intl Airline Have A Domestic Leg In The Us?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 8:07 am

Hey-

Yeah, as someone else said, MAD to ATH wouldn't be domestic. Ahich is like what Cathay Pacific does or used to do by flying JFK to Vancouver and then on to Hong Kong.

But, another point that does prove Copenhagenboy's case, even though his example was incorrect (no fault intended), was that Delta does operate a flight between Madrid and Barcelona.

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