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If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Mon Sep 02, 2002 8:11 pm

I understand that it was the April Grounding which put Ansett Australia in a worse Financial Situation. However, Ansett was very sick before the April grounding.

If the Ansett April Grounding did not take place, would Ansett be flying now? I doubt it......

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By the way, is Ansett Australia's brand name still up for sale? Although no one might want it.
 
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Pla

Mon Sep 02, 2002 9:17 pm

Well, Ansett had the bad luck (although some people will tell you it was more to do with political pressure being exerted on CASA, in deference to another Australian airline) of having groundings over the busy Christmas and Easter periods. This doubtless had a very negative effect on their bottom line. Perhaps had the groundings not occured, they would have had enough cash to last longer, perhaps long enough to allow the Air New Zealand group to secure capital. However, the post September 11 downturn, and the effects of the domestic price war, surely would have still been crippling. Simple answer - who knows?

Of course, it is all academic - the April groundings did happen, and the whole thing turned to custard.

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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Mon Sep 02, 2002 9:40 pm

I wonder why no one was interested to take over Ansett. It could be profitable in the long run.
 
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:03 pm

The reason no one wanted Ansett was because the airline was so sick it would only take a miracle to save it.
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:09 pm

Even without the April grounding?
 
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 12:12 am

It could be profitable in the long run.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Im sorry united, i know you liked ansett but its time to let go, it wouldnt have been successful with or without the april grounding, it simply speeded up the process.
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 12:38 am

The whole 767 affair was very bad for the AN brand. It was a key factor, but remove it and the Air New Zealand Group would still have gone bust.
 
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 3:30 am

Maybe....

I doubt AN can survive even without the April grounding.  Smile

What if PWC remained the administrator of Ansett? Would Ansett been saved? It seems that PWC was a lot more serious.
 
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 3:33 am

Just a pure speculation........If the April grounding did not take place, Air New Zealand could have had enough time to raise money for Ansett. Comments?

Please do not run this into an Air New Zealand VS Ansett war.  Smile
 
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 3:49 am

Go_Canada: The whole 767 grounding is the major factor that turns Ansett dramatically.

Publics and the travellers lose their cofidence on Ansett Australia because of the B767 grounding, plus the news of AN flying "unhealthy" 767 for 3000hrs.

September 11 is just another factor that directly hits Ansett.
 
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 3:55 am

Its known fact that the 767 grounding was just another nail in the coffin of AN, along with Spetember 11th, and the general travel slump.

They all played a large role in killing the airline, the price wars fought by AN, QF and Virgin [and at one point Impulse] hurt AN too.

Only if Impule and Virgin did not enter the market, only if the groundings didnt occur, would Ansett be in a better position to turn around its fortunes for the better.

I cant remember the exact grounding details, was it only 762s or were 763s involved too? and how many 763s did AN bring in to cover the grounded 767s?
i can recall AC and Canadian aircraft being flown in Australia, but how many a/c in total??

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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 4:07 am

I remember AN brought in one SQ744 to "assist"... the SQ 744 from SYD i think would do a domestic flight to MEL and back for Ansett Australia.....

Other than that, I think one AC763 was involved...

For the groundings, all 767s were involved.. I think it was discovered that they fixed 767-200 flaps on the 767-300 or something like that.. and lots of maintenance cover up...
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 4:09 am

Ansett has been sick for a long time.........

Ansett might not be able to survive even without the April Grounding. They were very sick before the grounding. 9.11 has nothing to do with the collapse of Ansett since they were dying before that. Besides, AN did not fly to USA.

And if I remember correctly, AN was moved into administration before 9.11
 
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 8:53 am

Guys,

Interestingly the AN brand is still available for purchase and *someone* has registration with ASIC pending for the business name:

"Ansett Airlines of Australia"

There is still a lot of good brand faith with AN.

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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 1:28 pm

Impulse and Virgin Blue only played a small role to kill Ansett. But it shouldn't be considered as a factor for Ansett's demise. They were tiny babies at that time.

It's the public's confidence towards Ansett Australia that killed AN.
 
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Pla

Tue Sep 03, 2002 2:17 pm

Bigo747 - I think you are underestimating the effect that the fare war sparked by these two carriers had on Ansett. It was no coincidence that Ansett's problems began snowballing from the second half of 2000. Ansett would still have been in difficulties if the AN/QF duopoly had have been maintained, but it would have been somewhat healthier.

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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 2:29 pm

Someone should have bought the airline..........Indeed there is a future for it.

Let's just hope that Ansett will return as a larger/more successful airline in the future.
 
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RE: If The Ansett April Grounding Did Not Take Place..

Tue Sep 03, 2002 4:24 pm

United Airline,

you do not seem to understand the extend of Ansett's internal "cancer". When the administrators took over, they were "appalled" at the state of the airline's books. Simply because there was no money left. Singapore Airlines, while many argued, may have saved the airline but was blocked by ANZ, wasn't too keen towards the end because Ansett was already run to the ground by the former owners.

Someone could have saved the airline by buying it? True, someone with a lot of balls. But looking at the timing (travel slump, worldwide recession, 911...), many reasons contributed to why the airline industry was a battered one. What's more to invest in a sick airline at a time when all the major carriers were suffering? Not a wise decision, even I can imagine.

So you see, we would never know if Ansett could be saved... Move on matey.
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