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What Else Can Boeing Do For The 747?

Wed Sep 04, 2002 12:11 pm

Regardless of peoples opinion, the 747-400 is a beautiful, ageless bird, atleast for another 20 years, it still stands proud amongst the latest offerings from Airbus, I still find it better than the A340 or the 777-300 that have replaced earlier 747s, sadly sales are down and not many airlines seem to be interested in it, even the newer versions introduced are not really attracting airlines as Boeing would have expected, so is there anything else they can do to promote sales of the plane? perhaps shorten the fuselage just a bit and reduce seating to make it compete with the A340-300/500, I know they're happy with 777 sales but they cant just about give up on the 747. I was hoping with boom in toursim more airlines from those countries such as Spain, Turkey, amongst others would become 744 or first time 747 operators, any hope for the queen of the skies?
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RE: What Else Can Boeing Do For The 747?

Wed Sep 04, 2002 12:59 pm

Boeing could re-loft the wing to a more modern airfoil, or they could re-wing it entirely. They could use laser welding or friction-stir welding in place of rivets. They have proposed speed fairings, which smooth out the cross-sectional area as a function of length, reducing wave drag and allowing a higher cruise speed; but the airlines haven't bought in to it.
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RE: What Else Can Boeing Do For The 747?

Wed Sep 04, 2002 1:07 pm

That is sad, why arent they interested? but why didnt Boeing offer the 744ER and the to be launched 744QXLR with these improvisations which may attract more airlines in the long run?
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RE: What Else Can Boeing Do For The 747?

Wed Sep 04, 2002 1:43 pm

I'm with you Airmale!  Big thumbs up The next thing Boeing would offer is resurecting the 747X/Stretch program. Near current seating with 9,000 nm mile range (this would probably be a niche aircraft) and the 520 seater stretch 747. If things get better in a hurry, econimically, don't be surprised to see this aircraft see the light of day. Realistically, probably not, but us 747 fans can sure hope for it!
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RE: What Else Can Boeing Do For The 747?

Wed Sep 04, 2002 5:00 pm

Relaunch 747-500 with QLR stuff, better interiors more range etc.

I think a brand new 200-250 seater medium haul is more crusial for the survival of Boeing.

If they don't come up with somethink significant better then 767-200ER, 767-400ER and 757-300 soon, Airbus will take over ....

A321 & A330-200 are excellent aircraft, if Airbus builds something inbetween before Boeing with same quality/commonality..

Well, lets hope Boeing shelves SC, stops thinking & starts drawing.

I suspect they already have, but keep it secret to not activate Airbus ..
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RE: What Else Can Boeing Do For The 747?

Wed Sep 04, 2002 6:59 pm

I have to agree with Keesje, the danger for Boeing to loose business in the midsize aircraft market is far higher than in Jumbo market. The 767 and 757-program need to be replaced by 2010. Airlines currently don´t need many 747-sized aircraft, because their current fleets of 744s are still new enough that nobody has to worry too much before 2005.
After that, when Airbus brings the A380 to the market airlines will see what they need to replace early 744s. This new 747 will definitely need more fuel-efficient engines and the noise-reduction packet of the XQLR. And. if Boeing wants to sell the 747 in numbers after 2010, a new wing.
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RE: What Else Can Boeing Do For The 747?

Wed Sep 04, 2002 9:31 pm

Do what they keep doing, add more letters on the end  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: What Else Can Boeing Do For The 747?

Wed Sep 04, 2002 9:56 pm


In my opinion the 747 can still be attractive to airlines that need a flagship and a large plane for their busiest routes but can't afford or don't want to buy the brand new A380 which can still represent a mistery for many.

Sure the 747 must be upgraded. A new wing would be as expensive to develop as an entire new design and it would take years to do it.
Major refinements like those offered on the XQLR, new interiors like in the current ER, more engine choice to attract all kinds of customer could be a starting point.
Above all Boeing must turn the 747 into something that airlines really want: an efficient and cost effective aircraft, with costs per seat/mile comparable with those of the latest generations of airliners (A340-500/600&A380 and B777 family).

But still, the market for an improved version of the Jumbo would be very small; don't expect massive orders like those placed by UA, BA, SQ, JL and others in the early days of the 747-400.

As Keesje and NA already said, the market for the 200/250 seater is a lot more lucrative and attractive for both Airbus and Boeing: just think the huge fleets of B757/767, A300/A310 in service in short and long haul markets rapidly approching 20 years of life.
Considering the long development times involved in the realization of a brand new airliner, Boeing should really begin to work on it now unless they are seriously working on the SC or they have a secret project.


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RE: What Else Can Boeing Do For The 747?

Thu Sep 05, 2002 11:20 am

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Thanks for another in your long series of snide remarks. Did you attend the Noel Forgeard School of Unprofessional Commentary? As for the 747, I've said I'm not very bullish on its' future. As others said, it needs major updating, a new or highly modified wing like Boeing was designing for the X and improved manufacturing techniques to lower its' cost-airlines feel it's too expensive opposed to the competition. Also, it's not their biggest priority-the 757/767 replacement must come first and none too soon. Boeing's doing the right thing with their XQLR proposal to try to keep the 747 going until the market for large transports opens up again but it'll be touch and go to keep it alive long enough to where they can justify the really necessary mods. I think they could just as well decide to close the line down for good. Sorry, 747 fans.

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RE: What Else Can Boeing Do For The 747?

Thu Sep 05, 2002 11:50 am

I have to agree with the observation regarding the greater urgency in the mid-size market. Look at all those airlines with slowly aging A300's who are scratching their heads looking for a true replacement. If Boeing size their 757/767 replacement correctly and introduce it quick enough, they could grab this market while Airbus is tied up (financially) with the A380.