bobcat
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Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Wed Sep 04, 2002 6:48 pm

Does SAA fly its 747-400 fully loaded on JFK to JNB ?
(a nonstop route of some 8000 miles) Or is it weight
restricted in order to make the flight nonstop?
 
bobcat
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Wed Sep 04, 2002 6:51 pm

I typed both JFK and JNB in upper-case letters.
However, why is JNB showing up as "Jnb" after I post it?
(while JFK remains as JFK)

Does this forum have some kind of software to change
words into lower cases?  Smile
 
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Thu Sep 05, 2002 1:47 am

I flew their longer (in miles) non-stop route in 2000, ATL-JNB. It was half-full, and I heard a comment that was due to the length of the trip. It was on a 744. On the return, we made one refueling stop, in Cape Verde I believe (I think the code was SID).

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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jn

Thu Sep 05, 2002 2:51 am

I know that both westbound routes stop at Cape Verde right now, but both eastbound flights are nonstop. I would assume that during the summer season there is a payload restriction, but I would think that the flight could be full during the winter.

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As You See At...

Thu Sep 05, 2002 8:24 am

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/7474sec3.pdf

a 747-400 with full payload is only good for maybe 6900 statute miles. But filling every seat and carrying their baggage (but no cargo), adds up to less than a full payload-- enough to fly maybe 1000 miles farther. So depends what you mean by fully loaded.
 
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Thu Sep 05, 2002 10:25 am

So what does SAA do for this flight?
 
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 2:55 am

SAA must still be making money out of New York as the airline announced today that it will be adding two addtional flights from 1 Dec 2002 to bring it back up to a daily service. I would imagine that it is difficult to justify this if the flights are not being filled!
 
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 11:34 am

When I flew SAA from JFK to JNB in January 97, it was a completely full flight and it was nonstop. Westbound flights from JNB to US have to stop at Cape Verde because JNB's 5,000 foot altitude limit the fuel load and therefore range.
 
SAA201
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 4:33 am

SAA is currently toying with the idea of using its A340-600's to introduce non-stop services TO New York out of Jo'burg, thus offering non-stop westbound & eastbound services. Should be interesting!
 
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Sun Sep 08, 2002 12:10 am

I flew the JFK - JNB route on SA 202 in August 2001. The aircraft was chock 'n block in terms of passenger numbers. The initial cruising level was FL 330. Not too bad, so I assume they restrict the cargo payload.

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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Sun Sep 08, 2002 4:06 am

Two years ago (2000) i flew JFK-JNB and man was that flight packed. But on the return it was only 45% full.
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Sun Sep 08, 2002 4:35 am

Does JFK-JNB have to stop in CPT now? ATL-JNB is scheduled that way every day now, I assume because maybe it can't make JNB nonstop at this time of year.
 
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Sun Sep 08, 2002 5:16 am

Does JFK-JNB have to stop in CPT now?

No, all of the JFK-->JNB flights operate non-stop, except on a Wednesday when the flight operates via Ilha do Sal. This particular flight is able to uplift maximum cargo and is an important link for the people of the Cape Verde Islands who apparently have quite a large population living in the US.
 
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Sun Sep 08, 2002 6:11 am


When the flight operates with the stop over what happens with the passengers and crew? Does anybody get off? Also what does this do to the flight time? Does it make it just as long as flying via Europe? How long is the flight with the stop over in total? Many thanks for your help.
 
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Sun Sep 08, 2002 7:43 am

Does JFK-JNB have to stop in CPT now?
No, all of the JFK-->JNB flights operate non-stop, except on a Wednesday when the flight operates via Ilha do Sal. This particular flight is able to uplift maximum cargo and is an important link for the people of the Cape Verde Islands who apparently have quite a large population living in the US.

TACV now has a JFK-SID flight on Mondays. I don't know if that will result in SA's discontinuance of the Wednesday SID stop, or whether there's enough demand for both services.
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RE: Does SAA Fly Its 744 Fully Loaded On JFK To Jnb?

Sun Sep 08, 2002 9:25 am

SAA will return to JFK DAILY is because it has just begun code-share on Delta Express' flight from JFK to Florida.

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