AFa340-300E
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AF To Nagoya

Sun Oct 17, 1999 5:30 pm

Hello,

I think Air France could fly to Nagoya (Japan) as the economical situations in Asia gets better ?

Here is a speculation about the possible a/c :
The argument the Airbus A340-300 may offer to Air France is that it is a four-engine-powered aircraft, and CDG-NGO is quite a long route, so safety may be higher with two more engines.
The problem of the Boeing B777 is that it has only two engines and Asian people usually prefer to fly four-engined aircrafts, and they don't trust twin-engined as much as in USA or Western Europe where people have been used to flying on twin more than a decade ago. B777 in AF configuration has as many seats in high-yield cabins as in the B747-400, so that would be a problem to fill all those seats. A340 in comparison has a lower rate of seats high-yield per economy ones.
The Boeing B747-200 or B747-400 could also be a possibility, as it has a great number of seats in economy class. But it's huge aircraft to fill in also, and with all those seats in economy class, added to competitors capacities, that would easily flood the NGO market that isn't that strong (at least for now).
Between the -200 and -300 version, they's no problem thought AF hasn't A340-200s anymore.

I'm looking for all infomation concerning Europe-to-Nagoya routes and Nagoya airport ( alain.mengus@wanadoo.fr)

Alain Mengus
 
gardermoen
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RE: AF To Nagoya

Sun Oct 17, 1999 7:00 pm

Asians prefer to fly on four-engined rather than twin-engined aircraft???!!
Where did you get that piece of information from?
Just look at all those twin-engined aircraft operating both short and long hauls in Asia right now.
 
AFa340-300E
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Twin Vs Quad-engined

Sun Oct 17, 1999 7:56 pm

Hello,

Yes, it was reported in an article about air transport in Asia.

Just look at the aircrafts operating on Europe and USA from Asia :mainly B747 and A340. No 777 or A330-300. Although as you said they use them on intra-Asia routes, but these flights aren't as long as intercontinental ones.

Best regards,
Alain Mengus
 
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RE: Twin Vs Quad-engined

Sun Oct 17, 1999 8:01 pm

I don't want to get into the 2-v-4 engine issue; they're both excellent aircraft. AF usually offers common rated fares on its Japanese flights, so it might be possible to fly into Osaka on an A340 and back from Nagoya on a 777. Now that would be nice . . .
 
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777 To Japan

Sun Oct 17, 1999 8:08 pm

Hello,

I think AF will fly 777 on KIX. Maybe next summer, thought KIX flights are qute well filled I believe.

Best regards,
Alain Mengus
 
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RE: AF To Nagoya

Mon Oct 18, 1999 9:07 pm

Not wanting to get into a fight over 2 vs 4 engine aircraft, I'd just like to point out some facts about twin-engined long haul operators into Asia:

1) Lauda, Scandinavian, Air France, Austrian, Aeroflot, Czech Airlines, LOT, Balkan all operate scheduled twin engined aircraft between Europe and Asia.
2) Singapore Airlines is going to replace all its A340s with B777s, enabling more Sin-Europe non-stops as well as launching Sin-US West Coast non-stops
3) Malaysia Airlines flies the 777 KUL-DXB-Newark and most of its non-stops flights to Europe use the B777.
4)Air New Zealand fly Christhurch/Singapore non-stop using the B767, as well as some Japan/NZ non-stops.
5)United, Korean, Asiana, China Southern and I think Continental fly some US/Japan non-stops with the B767s/B77s.

Although there are more long hauls with the A340 and B747, I think the reason for that is due to the airlines own preference and not to do with the personal preference on passengers.
 
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Re: Gardermoen

Tue Oct 19, 1999 3:03 am

I am not AFa340-300E's lawyer but I think he definetly has a point here. I dont know your origin but myself being from the middle-east I know very well that people prefer to fly with a quad over the water....dont get me wrong I am not saying that a quad is safer, but this is the perception. My father for example, a person who travels overseas 6-7 times a year would fly Turkish Airlines A340-300 from IST to JFK rather than the DL B767 just becasue the TK flight is a quad....The european airlines that you mentioned are all twin (mostly) operators (Lauda, LOT, Czech..) so they dont have the choice, but AF does and actually the A340 might be a better decision( probably as Alain says, by fitting more Business class seats...)