jcs17
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USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Thu Sep 05, 2002 9:53 am

As I am reading that USAirways is expanding to Punta Cana and San Jose, CR. I cant help but question these moves, considering the holes that USAirways has in their domestic system. USAirways first needs a few more western destinations on the map before they keep expanding in the Caribbean and Latin America. The places that need to be considered for service are; PDX, SJC, SAT, AUS, OKC, and SLC. At least PDX, SJC, and SLC must be considered for service. Also serving Mexico's largest city (D.F.) wouldnt be quite a terrible idea either. I'm pretty sure that these routes could garner significant traffic especially from frequent flyers in the northeast. I'm not saying start with 5 daily flights to PDX from PIT, but maybe 12 weekly flights on an A319 might do pretty well. Local traffic would be pretty low for sure, but connecting traffic could easily make up for this. I'm also waiting for the day when US decides to serve Hawaii. How could they not have at least one daily to HNL? If I was your average Chairmans Preffered member I might be semi-irked at that. I know that they have an alliance with NW (correct?) to do Pacific service, but HNL is a must for FF members and leisure travelers alike. I'm sure that in the winter a flight from PIT-HNL would be packed with not only people using awards, but executives from the northeast paying good money to go to Hawaii. I just have a hunch that a PHL-HNL flight might be more in demand than a flight from PHL-Punta Cana (I forgot the code).
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usairways85
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RE: USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Thu Sep 05, 2002 11:44 am

well i can understand where you are coming from, but right now usairways is building a pretty extensive carribean operation that has become one of their strongest assests. Personally i think they should be adding more flts to the carribean from PHL rather than CLT, also i think they should look into serving another international destination from PHL in a year or so, if they are still around
 
MAH4546
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RE: USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Thu Sep 05, 2002 11:46 am

The Caribbean brings them money, the west does not. PDX was going to be launched June 2002, twice daily from PIT and daily from PHL. SAT and AUS, thrice-daily from CLT, was going to be launched November 2001. MEX service is on the horizon and expected by summer 2003.
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usairways85
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RE: USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Thu Sep 05, 2002 11:53 am

where will the MEX service originate, CLT or PHL?
 
UNITED777ORD
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RE: USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Fri Sep 06, 2002 11:14 am

USAIRWAYS Needs to establish a focus city in the Midwest and West Coast.
Midwest: (STL, MKE, or MCI).
West Coast: (LAS, PHX, or SFO)

Its too bad that the USAirways-United merge was not successful. Hopefully the codeshare agreement will do some good!!

GO UNITED
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RE: USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Fri Sep 06, 2002 11:59 am

I do agree w/ United777 they need SOMETHING out west MCI would do nice for starters just because they lost NJ. Start a few west coast hops from there possibly? The US in the west is one of the most gaping holes in any route network for a major US airline i have ever seen....UA in the southeast isnt anything comparable to this.
 
usairways85
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RE: USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Fri Sep 06, 2002 12:07 pm

the only problem is, usairways is in no condition to start expanding routes after they just cut 200 some flts, no way will they be able to start even a focus city somewhere in the west. the best we might get is a few more flts the the destinations already served and maybe one more destination
 
N628AU
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RE: USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Fri Sep 06, 2002 12:43 pm

Yields, yields, yields. Those flights to the Carribean have little competition especially from low fare carriers. MEX service is on the horizon for 2003 sometime, and probably from CLT (the expanded international concourse will fully open sometime in November). After more regional jet aircraft come on line, I would expect to see mainline aircraft being placed on longer runs, especially the A319 as the short hops get transferred to 70 seat RJ equipment at newly formed MidAtlantic Airways. HNL is out for some time, the yields are poor, and can be covered by the alliance with UAL.
 
jcs17
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RE: USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Fri Sep 06, 2002 1:48 pm

The problem with adding more flights to the Caribbean is that since most of the travel down there is leisure. Your average couple wanting to vacation in the Caribbean will try to avoid USAirways at all costs because they are in chapter 11 (for the time being...hopefully...). I simply dont agree with the strategy here, they will still be competing with AA out of MIA to Punta Cana (although connections are pretty weak in MIA compared to out of CLT/PHL), and competing with everyone and their mother to SJO. Chapter 11 just has a tendency to kill leisure travel on an airline, just because no one wants to see their vacation cancelled.

As for an MCI focus city...I believe they did have one there for the shortest time around 1992-1995. MCI is not a high-yielding market so it makes starting any kind of significant operation there fairly difficult.

I'm gonna stick to my guns when I say that USAirways would do well on a once-daily, seasonal flight from PIT-HNL-OGG on a 762. The market is certainly there and I definitely think that a profit could be made on a route like that. The only reason that airlines suffer terrible yields to Hawaii is because the market is totally oversaturated from the West Coast.

US needs to strive to attract business passengers, the kind that will pay $800 on a Y ticket. I think that it is just a highly inopportune time to start new service to the Caribbean.
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N628AU
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RE: USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Fri Sep 06, 2002 2:57 pm

The fact remains that yields on average on US Carribean routes, on average, beat the yields they are seeing stateside right now. The loads are terrific in winter, and promise to remain as such. US is by far the second largest carrier down there now, behind AA. I trust Siegel has better access to the numbers than any of us, so I am going to trust him on this one.
 
usairways85
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RE: USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Fri Sep 06, 2002 8:13 pm

don't forget a new 13-gate international terminal in PHL will open by years end as well.
 
chazzerguy
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RE: USAirways Needs Domestic Work 1st.

Fri Sep 06, 2002 10:17 pm

I've flown from CLT to the west coast twice in the past year... Once was to San Diego on a 737 that still had empty seats. The other was Seattle on a 75 where each passenger pratically had their own row! Return flights were about the same as I recall.

While it's a broad generalization based on just four flights, maybe there just isn't much demand for USAirways to fly west. In contrast, my trip to St. Maarten was a packed 757, which we had trouble getting reservations on even eight months in advance.

I think leisure passengers will still book Caribbean flights regardless of the bankruptcy issue, at least short term...

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