j_hallgren
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Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Thu Sep 05, 2002 4:42 pm

Heard an interview on local BOS TV about new TSA personnel...a pax said they took her "Leatherman(?)" tool and her eyeglass screwdriver....Now I'm wondering...I have one to fix my glasses that has a screw that comes lose sometimes...will they let me have it onboard or not? Anybody have any ideas on this? Afterall, these things are about a inch long with a plastic handle!
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Leej
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Thu Sep 05, 2002 5:54 pm

Is it that crucial to take on board????
Why not fix /tighten them before you leave.
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fritzi
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Thu Sep 05, 2002 6:32 pm

I can understand that they took the Leatherman tool but why such a small screw driver???
 
FutureFO
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Thu Sep 05, 2002 10:16 pm

This is a sensitive subject and should not be discussed online. All security concerns should be made with the airline ticket counter and not online.
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haveric
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Thu Sep 05, 2002 10:42 pm

FutureFO -- then tell that to the airlines and the TSA, both of whom post detailed descriptions of what can and cannot be brought on-board commercial aircraft on their websites.
 
FutureFO
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 12:41 am

Haveric,

Most security issues are to remain limited to the Carrier and TSA's websites. I am only saying that as a GSC there are things that we are limited to discussing. That is my point, I don't think it needs to be discussed outside of those sites.
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EWRvirgin
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 1:32 am

FutureFO,

No offense, but as a GSC, you should have the sense to realize there is no harm in discussing and addressing this particular question.

Honestly, this over-zealous attitude by security personnel and even some GSCs and law enforcement is part of the reason why airport security won't be able to shake off its reputation of incompetence.
 
ContinentalFan
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 1:45 am

I think that we as members of the travelling public have every right to discuss these issues with each other. Like it has been said, none of this is (or should be) a secret.
 
jmacias34
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 1:56 am

I'm going to agree with the two above, besides, its all the same as making a phone call. Its just nobody has to be put on hold.

 
Sinlock
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 4:01 am

Who would be that crazy, as to try to bring a Leatherman on board an aircraft. The knives and box cutters used on 9-11 were a hell of a lot less deadly than the blades that can be found in a Leatherman, and look what they did. As for the eyeglass repair kit. That seems to be a little over the top, even for the TSA.
 
AS_GSC
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 11:58 am

Everything that I have read on this forum has not compromised civil aviation security in any way, shape or form. As GSCs, we know what can and cannot be discussed. We are aware of what is protected by CFRs, security directives and affiliated TSA documents. Discussing whether eyeglass repair kits are permitted past the checkpoint....hey have at it!

To play devil's advocate...we're all working with a newly formed federalized workforce (that's still evolving) that was created from scratch less than a year ago. There are going to be misinterpretations of newly revised CFRs, prohibited items lists, and other things that to you, me and the traveling public may be "no-brainers".

If there were any concerns about whether an item shouldn't be confiscated, they should be directed directly to the TSA at the specific airport. TSA Federal Security Directors and Managers at locations across the country can make the regs more strict at their specific airport(s), but they certainly can't make the regs less stringent.

All the best!

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wilcharl
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 12:40 pm

As_gsc

BRAVO ! Well said I could not have said it better my self
 
jwenting
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 3:15 pm

As to screwdrivers, those are potential stabbing weapons and are therefore banned.
A small screwdriver might not be large enough to kill someone, but you could use it to destroy an eye for example. Therefore it is a potential weapon as well (plus the regs don't mention a minimum size for a screwdriver to be banned).

Effectively, you brought it upon yourself. There was bound to be a period of hypersensitive screening in the US after nearly 3 decades of blissfully ignoring the threat of people coming on board with weapons.
Over time, things should settle down into a more regular routine like what we've had in Europe since around 1975.
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j_hallgren
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 5:15 pm

Ok..for the under-informed (like me!)...Just what are the abbrev "GSC" and "CSR" for? TSA has been in news so....

And IF an eyeglass screwdriver can be used to injure an eye, maybe we should ban all pens & pencils also??? And just imagine someone who might put a fake but sharpened point on a pen...nice little weapon, right

And is there a way to ask the TSA by phone/email for clarifications on items like this screwdriver? Contact is??
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VirginFlyer
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Fri Sep 06, 2002 6:41 pm

Jwenting - anything smaller than a tennis ball can conceivably be used to blind someone. That includes fingers. I hope I am not going to be told one day that I will have to leave my fingers behind if I wish to fly  Nuts

That being said, if you are really worried about your glasses coming loose, tighten them before you fly. Unless you are opening and closing them every minute, I doubt they will loosen much over a even a 24 hour journey.

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AS_GSC
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:18 am

We can certainly "what-if" this to death......The fact of the matter is that even if passengers went through the checkpoint naked and with no carry-on baggage, you still won't have a 100% secure concourse or aircraft.

VirginFlyer- I'm with you on this one. Anyone who has had self defense classes shouldn't be able to go through the checkpoint as their arms, legs and whatnot are now considered weapons. Common sense should be applied, but we're all going through growing pains with the advent of a new federal workforce.

It's like parents giving their newborn the keys to the car and expecting it to know how to drive. Remember it's new to everyone.....the airline, airports, and especially the government.

Also a GSC is a Ground Security Coordinator....This person is usually an airline employee who has received specific training approved by the TSA (Transportation Security Administration). This person is a primary contact for government, airport, and other airline officials regarding security issues impacting the GSCs airline. GSCs are privy to security information which most airline employees are not.

A CRO is a Complaint Resolution Official who primarily handles incidents or issues involving passengers with disabilities. This is an airline employee who has received specific training in order to resolve these issues.

All the best.

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j_hallgren
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RE: Are Eyeglass Repair Kits Banned Now?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 4:43 pm

Was curious about what info I could find on web...found on http://www.tsa.gov a toll-free contact number (866-289-9673) so called (during typical business hrs) and got a rep who was very pleasant...asked about this specific item...he said they were looking at improving detailed specs of what is/isn't allowed...but until all security under TSA, it depends on individual airports security dept...said I could call and ask them...but since I'll be using BOS, I suspect they are more paranoid than some!

I asked if they could add these glass kits to allowed list..he took my name and said he would pass my request on...he agreed that common sense would permit it, like the tweezer thing...

And yes, my glasses sometimes loosen that screw in hours and sometimes it takes days!

Thanks AS_GSC for the definitions!

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