Rai
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Asian Departure Times From North America

Fri Sep 06, 2002 2:57 am

I notice that flights leaving from North America to Asia are either around noon or around midnight. What is the reason for these specific departure times?
 
danialanwar
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RE: Asian Departure Times From North America

Fri Sep 06, 2002 3:36 am

Flying time US-Asia taking into account the time difference is somewhere between 4 and 6 hours (.ie you leave at noon, you arrive at 4pm => 4 hours).

Noon Departures: Allow for connections from other US cities to the point of origin of Asia flight

Midnight Departures: Reach Asia at around 6am. This is currently done for long flights to Asia, such as Taiwan & Hong Kong. Japan and Korea are too close (everything is relative, huh), so in order not to arrive during curfew hours you'd have to leave the US at like 2 or 3 am, or fly via Anchorage. Passengers don't really like either option here
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RE: Asian Departure Times From North America

Fri Sep 06, 2002 3:55 am

At JFK, JL KE and NH all depart around noon for Asia, while China Airlines, KE (second departure) and OZ depart around midnight. I think any other departure between 3pm and 11pm from the U.S. would mean an arrival in Asia during the wee morning hours. The noon departures arrive in Asia in the evening and the midnight departures arrive in the early morning around 6am.
 
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RE: Asian Departure Times From North America

Fri Sep 06, 2002 8:17 am

Ive heard it several times but just one question, what the hell is a curfew, I know Kai Tak had one, but Ive only heard the term used in asian airports.
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RE: Asian Departure Times From North America

Fri Sep 06, 2002 8:20 am

UA flight 801 leaves JFK at 1300, Flt 881 from ORD leaves at 1230, 883 leaves at 1330, 895 leaves at 1245, all of these are to make it to Asia to meet up with late afternoon Connections to internal Asian Cities.
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danialanwar
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RE: Asian Departure Times From North America

Fri Sep 06, 2002 9:03 pm

Curfew (probably not the most exact word) means a period of time during which airlines cannot land or take-off ... most airports close to cities have such a one at night. Also, immigration may not always be open (kind of an issue when on an international flight). Airports with curfews that I can think of are Narita, Seoul (not sure if the new Incheon has it too), Sydney, Zurich, ...
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Rai
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RE: Asian Departure Times From North America

Fri Sep 06, 2002 9:11 pm

Incheon has no curfew...Shouldn't be an issue there. But why does Narita have one? I thought it was in the middle of nowhere?
 
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RE: Asian Departure Times From North America

Sat Sep 07, 2002 3:28 am

I am not sure if Narita has but I find it ominous that there are no departures after 10pm and no arrivals before 6am. Midnight departures would allow for overnight flights to Europe (AF doing that, leaves NRT at 10pm, CDG arr 4am or so) and Southeast Asia
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RE: Asian Departure Times From North America

Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:01 pm

Narita has one - it was agreed when the airport was built in order to buy off the local farmers and residents who were protesting violently at the new airport. You might think it was crazy caving in to such a small local lobby, but this is Japan.

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RE: Asian Departure Times From North America

Sat Sep 07, 2002 9:50 pm

Don't any of these cities have overnight cargo operations? They need to come join us in the 21st century if they do not.

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RE: Asian Departure Times From North America

Mon Sep 09, 2002 12:49 pm

KE flies from DFW to ICN at 12.30 a.m. and it lands into ICN plus 1 day at 4.30 a.m. That is in order for it to connect with our other flights to other Pacific destinations such as HKG, BKK, MNL, etc...

On the return flight from ICN to DFW, the plane leaves out of ICN after flights from BKK, MNL, HKG, etc...arrive into ICN, so that others can connect back to the United States.

Also, ICN is built on a man-made island/land-fill and there is no curfew at this airport. Good things about ICN are this, no curfew, plus it was built under budget and a lot less expensive than the new HKG Airport and for that matter, Narita. This helps ICN offer lower landing fees to the airlines, which the airlines pass on in terms of lower air fares for passengers and lower cargo rates when traveling to/from ICN.


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