UA744Flagship
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The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:29 am

United and US Airways tied for the top two performing US air carriers in on-time arrivals for the month of July.

This continues United's streak of making the top 3 for the past couple of months.

Rank:
1) United 83.2
2) US Airways 83.2
3) Continental 82.8
4) American 80.3
5) America West 78.7
6) Delta 78.6
7) Southwest 77.9
8) Northwest 77.9
9) Alaska 77.1

It's too bad people don't pay attention to OT as a metric of airline performance nowadays...
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:33 am

Can someone explain to me the wording of the title of this thread!?? LOL!
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:34 am

US was also #1 in on-time departures and #1 in lost baggage...
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:42 am

LOSINGEST? Is that the kinda crap they teach you at Purdue?
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 1:07 am

Wow!!  Wow! I'm Impresseded !! Big grin
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 1:30 am

Just to show what a turn around ATA has made in the last year or so , they would have placed 4th. Two years ago ATA would have placed 10th !

Go ATA !
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 1:47 am

Someone needs a proper edumacation.
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 3:34 am

Slang, people.

Get with the tiz-imes.
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 4:14 am

 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 4:50 am

I'm with the times, but I've never heard anyone say "Losingest" before.

How did we get so ~~~>

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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 5:46 am

LOL

Nice title! That's what I call a Bushism, he'll probably be our president in 30 years.
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:09 am

Unfortunately, on-time doesn't necessarily translate into more earnings and less cost, which is what executives are paid to obtain. Shareholders only care if the on-time aspect translates to more customers and more revenue, which hopefully will trickle down to more profits. Companies that are starting to look bad in the public eye (ie. U and UAL with their financial woes) are going to do what they can to keep the customers they have left. Why not woo them with the best service they can?

Unfortunately, some of the best experiences I've had as a customer came from companies that were about to go under (or were in the process of).
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:09 am

When did this thread become an English class ?
You all know what he meant so let it go.
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:09 am

C'mon guys, give him a break, he was just trying to share some information with the rest of us.

This is just a forum on the internet, it's NO BIG DEAL.

Some people take A.net wwwaaaaayyyy to seriously.
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 7:53 am

Yes National, I agree with you. I was just joking around. The opportunity to have some fun was too good to pass up. I have nothing against UA744Flagship, and I hope he (and you) can see that I was just having some fun with his gaff.
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 8:08 am

Hahaha, Losingest. That's funny.........
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 9:08 am

I bet a lot this has to do with the fact UA and U have greatly reduced their schedule and have excess capacity to pick up the slack if an aircraft has a mechanical or long delay. UA's reduced capacity has also helped out in reducing delays out of SFO which contributed to a large percentage of UA's overall delays. Those airlines that haven't reduced capacity that much (i.e. Alaska, Northwest and Southwest) are all at the bottom of the list. Its interesting that the range from best to worst is only 5%, which isn't that dramatic.
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 9:50 am

737-900
That's one of the things that people often misconstrue about statistics. They take minute differences as being indictative of superior performance.
Think of it this way! You stood slightly less than a 2 in 10 chance of suffering a delay with United. Alaska had slightly more than a 2 in 10 chance of suffering a delay (basically the same). The ranking system is mainly luck of the draw!
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 10:28 am

How does the size of the airline skew the percentage?

Is it "easier" for U or AA to have a higher percentage than say ATA or AirTran?

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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 10:48 am

Hey There

#1 in on-time performance and last in baggage handling! That's funny  Laugh out loud Maybe it's part of US Air's new ticket policy. Bags extra!

Tom
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 11:01 am

Ceteris paribus, does it not make sense that the airlines with the most reserve aircraft and least congested facilities would be recording the best on-time performance? Right now, carriers like UA and US have more flexibility when it comes to aircraft assignments, and therefore should have a higher controllable on-time departures rating. While some carriers year-over-year ASMs are down over 10%, Southwest and Alaska are both operating at full schedule, so they will have more mechanical/crew scheduling delays. Quite simply, no airline is ever going to leave any more planes parked than it has to.

OK, so it's a bit of an over-simplification, but I don't think it's fair to say that UA and US are doing a better job serving customers by operating fewer flights. Besides, there are only six points separating the top and bottom airline here. Most likely, not even a frequent flyer would notice such a subtle difference. All airlines pretty much know what to do to minimize delays.
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 11:53 am

This i find funny.

Northwest was the top for on time a couple years ago. They open this new terminal at DTW and add a new runway that were both supposed to make better ontime departures and arrivals and now they are second to last.
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:06 pm

US has no surplus aircraft. There are very few mechanical spares in the system. The aircraft that are being returned to the lessors in the fall are resulting in a schedule reduction.
 
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 2:38 pm

I guess we have no MLB fans who've used the term "winningest team" before. I really never thought it would be so funny. Well whatever gets your rocks off!

I would call UA's performance "significant" even despite lies, damn lies, and statistics, because it operates in 3 of the most expensive (SFO - most expensive costs per departure, DEN, and IAD) and two of the most operationally unreliable (SFO and ORD) airports in the country.

True, UA is hording a lot of spare aircraft, and running the second most reduced schedule, but still -- having compounding operations in ORD and SFO, and being able to achieve #1 is nothing short of a miracle. Keep in mind ORD experienced a lot of thunderstorms in July.
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sat Sep 07, 2002 3:54 pm

I don't mean to drag this out just a bit longer but "losingest" is in fact a word.

LOSINGEST, adj. In last place, worst off, lagging behind the rest. ["losing"+ superlative]
Context and source: "CBS is being asked to pay producers more for its series because, as the losingest network, CBS cancels more of them." (Wall Street Journal 09 Feb. 1989)


http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~ling215/NewWords/page2.html

But as Chepos said, despite not having seen the link, you all know what he meant.
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RE: The Losingest US Airlines Are Top In On-Time

Sun Sep 08, 2002 9:22 am

Hey Tbird...

To be fair to US, they were number one in least bags lost. They had 2.71 mishandled bags per every 1,000 passengers.
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