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Canadian DC-10s

Mon Oct 18, 1999 6:20 am

Does anyone know when Canadian will be phasing out all its DC-10s what will happen to them? Thanks!

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RE: Canadian DC-10s

Mon Oct 18, 1999 10:27 am

It is my understanding that they have retired 4 already. 2 were just retired at the end of September. I think they hope to have all retired in 2000. They have been sold to Pegasus Aviation Inc. - a leasing Co. The A/C will be replaced by 767-300ER's. I have also heard they will be getting another A320.
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RE: Canadian DC-10s

Mon Oct 18, 1999 10:33 am

Let's hope that the B767's will be money makers for Canadian and help them make a profit for once (as i always saw a 10 in the hangar at YYZ). I think it's time for CP to look at those old 737's.

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RE: Canadian DC-10s

Mon Oct 18, 1999 9:57 pm

I agree about the 737 comment. Are there any plans to hushkit them?
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CP 732 Hushkits

Tue Oct 19, 1999 2:30 am

According to Canadian Airlines annual information form, 17 B737-200 aircraft had been hushkitted during 1998, and a further 13 hushkits were to have been fitted by December 31, 1999. Under Canadian Legislation, all remaining aircraft must have hushkits installed no later than April 1, 2002.

It also notes that because they are below the weight thresholds, all aircraft in the Canadian Regional Airlines fleet are exempt from Canadian and US noise regulations. And as far as I'm concerned those F28's that Regional flies are noisier than the 732's, at least they seem to be when they fly over.

-The above information I copied from a message I wrote some time ago, located at http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main?id=48692
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Canadian DC-10's

Tue Oct 19, 1999 4:39 am

From what I hear from people I have talked to Canadian will not last much longer than January or February 2000 if this ONEX deal doesn't go through. The airline has no money. Canadian Regional cancled the ERJ orders, and canadian has put a hold on the A320 orders. The 767's are coming only because the company can generate enough cash from the DC-10 sales. They aren't making any money from those sales and therefore when the 67's arrive, they will just keep loosing money.

If the onex deal goes through, I'm sure that American.......Oh sorry......I mean the "New Air Canada" will want to fase out the 737's within 2 years. and I think they could, seeing as how most of the routes those planes fly compete with existing Air Canada flights.
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RE: Canadian DC-10's

Tue Oct 19, 1999 7:19 am

In addition, most AC, and CP flights to the same place from the same place leave within 10 min. of each other. The best example is YWG-YYZ. AC has a flight every hour and a half, (approx), and there is always a CP 737 following it.
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RE: Canadian DC-10's

Tue Oct 19, 1999 10:07 am

I've never flown YWG-YYZ, but it seems to me from all I've heard that those flights are usually very full. Maybe it was the season, but the couple of times I was at the airport this summer, the YYZ flights were oversold, and I know of some folks who couldn't get tickets to YYZ. I think an Onex merger would mean some 767's on that route.

I think a better example of duplication of routes that would consolidate aircraft would be the YEG-YYC shuttle route. With the two airlines they fly this route with a variety of aircraft, but many times they are just Dash-8's or F-28's, even though it is one of the busiest routes in the country. In the short term more DC-9 or 737 operations with high-frequency would make sense, with either a large RJ (ie-BRJ-90X) or a 717 or A318 would be good for this route in the future.

To add to the DC-10 discussion, CP is selling DC-10's (owned) and leasing two 767's. Also, the mentioned A320 orders were deferred for years now, scheduled for around 2002 right now, I think. The single A320 that CP acquired this year was a used aircraft on lease.

By the way, the National Post newspaper today said that AC may be coming out with an offer to buy CP as early as tomorrow. We'll have to watch and see, if so it would probably thwart the Onex offer for AC and CP.