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Is America West Safe?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 1:30 am

Got a great fare on America West, and though I bought the tickets I'm a little nervous about flying them. Yes I know they have never had a major accident, but I remember when the FAA wouldn't let them buy any new planes until they proved they could properly maintain their current fleet.

Any opinions/facts on HP's safety would be much appreciated.

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RE: Is America West Safe?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 2:43 am

My friend was flying them two weeks ago BWI-LAS, his 7pm departure turned out to be 1am departure. They had problem with ship 910 and they had to ferry one from Columbus which came around midnight (dont remember the number but he finaly went to LAS on "Ohio")

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RE: Is America West Safe?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 2:49 am


HP is perfectly fine to fly on.

Service is what you would expect for what you pay, they are safe and on all the flights i've had,on time.

Hnjoy your flight and post a report if you get a chance.


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RE: Is America West Safe?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 6:19 am

If you got a good deal with them fly them.
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RE: Is America West Safe?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 7:00 am

I've flown on America West a few times, just this weekend I went PHX-SAN-PHX, everything seemed just fine, didn't feel sketchy at all, however the interior on the A320 was kinda junky, and there were what looked like spots of tar on the flaps and spoilers. But yup, all is safe.
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RE: Is America West Safe?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 9:03 am

I wish I had something good to say about America West, but I don't. Oh wait, their flights are cheap, but as someone pointed out, you get what you pay for.
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RE: Is America West Safe?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 1:09 pm

they don't have any problems that any other airline doesn't have. flown them a bunch some delayed, 90% on-time. I much prefer them actually to SWA and Delta.
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RE: Is America West Safe?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 1:23 pm

I last flew on America West about 10 yrs ago between Las Vegas and Oakland. I thought that they were one of the better domestic carriers out there because the FAs were very friendly. Even though it was a one-class 737-200, I felt welcomed and warmth. Hence, I had a good first impression of them.

However, the last few years have proved otherwise for the airline in terms of customer service. Horror stories about delays and funky cabins, the complaints never seem to end.

But seriously, how ARE they? My one flight with them is actually hardly any representation of the airline.
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RE: Is America West Safe?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 7:06 pm

America West are no less safe than anyone else. If they were not safe to fly the FAA would pull their ticket. They are under the same rules as their competitors.

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RE: Is America West Safe?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 7:09 pm

I have never had a problem on AWA, except for that trip between Reno and Las Vegas where we were followed by a UFO for a good twenty minutes...

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RE: Is America West Safe?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 10:48 pm

In a word, no. A friend of mine who is a senior manager in FAA's Flight Standards (safety inspection) division told me some time ago about HP's maintenance violations on their A320s (as in, they weren't doing any maintenance). FAA fined HP, and the case was settled. But my friend told me to stay away from them. That sounds like pretty good advice, from an informed source.
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RE: Is America West Safe?

Fri Sep 13, 2002 12:45 am

Thanks for all the input everyone. I guess it's a moot point since I already got the tickets, and I plan on using them. I'm sure I'll be fine, just a little bit nervous.

Did anyone else hear the thing about the FAA not allowing them to buy more planes a couple years ago until they proved they could maintain their current fleet? I remember reading it somewhere, but if that's the case you think the FAA wouldn't allow them to fly at all.

Also as a sidenote a friend of mine's only aborted takeoff occurred on HP. Apparently it was only a faulty altimeter, but still pretty scary according to him.

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RE: Is America West Safe?

Fri Sep 13, 2002 12:58 am


The fine issued by the FAA that Steede is alluding to occurred over 2 years ago and was in regard to maintenance issues with America West's older Boeing aircraft, not their A320's. The maintenance issues were dealt with, and America West established new A-check maintenance centers in several cities around the country including Columbus, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and Chicago, as well as increased procedures at their main Phoenix hangars.

I work at America West's Columbus hub, and from what I've witnessed first hand, maintenance does an excellent job on the aircraft. Whenever an America West aircraft arrives at the gate, a team of maintenance personnel do a visual check of the entire aircraft. For each terminating America West aircraft, a team of about 8 maintenance workers open up every single part of the aircraft, from the nose gear to the APU, and perform inspections on it.

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RE: Is America West Safe?

Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:30 am

Having worked for both, I know who I would fly on. One of these carriers was so cheap they actually had a meeting to discuss how many copies of the Wall Street Journal to have on hand each morning. I'm talking about a small station and 45 copies of a newspaper. Wow, we can save money if we cut down to 37 copies. Also, they didn't want to provide gloves and goggles to the people who dumped the aircraft lavs.
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