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Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 9:24 am


Air Portugal A340 diverted to Dover AFB
KYW-TV Channel 3 Breaking | 9/12/2002 |



Air Portugal A340, bound for JFK in New York has been diverted to Dover AFB. Military boarding plane. Passengers removed.

 
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 9:25 am

Anybody got news on this??? And why Dover AFB????
 
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 9:31 am

I think, but I am not sure, that there is some law that by being on a military base etc. the authorities can bring better charges against someone if it comes to that. Its all a gray area to me, but I am sure a very solid reason or suspicion will come out.
 
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 9:39 am

Oh brother. How about we start taking ships to the US again ?
 
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 9:42 am

why would an Air Portugal A340 coming from Europe to JFK go 100's of miles south to the DAFB, i mean its probably the biggest air force base on the east coast with very long runways.
 
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 9:45 am

They are well equipped to handle anything and anyone and extraoridianry security too.
 
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 9:47 am

Why didn't they go to McGuire AFB in New Jersey? It's alot closer to JFK
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 9:52 am

All good questions... I have no clue!
 
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 9:53 am

hey i live at dover AFB. i'll check it out see what i come up with.
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 10:53 am

do you guys think these diversions will be a common thing now because of security?
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 10:57 am

Airline Tap - Air Portugal
Flight Number 1315
Departure City (Airport) Dover-Cheswold, DE (DOV)
Departure Time 09/12/2002 10:10 PM
Arrival City (Airport) New York, NY (JFK)
Arrival Time 09/12/2002 10:50 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:40 (planned)
Aircraft Type A343
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Planned

Airline Tap - Air Portugal
Flight Number 1315
Departure City (Airport) Lisbon, Portugal (LPPT)
Departure Time 09/12/2002 04:00 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Dover-Cheswold, DE (DOV)
Arrival Time 09/12/2002 06:16 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type A343
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived


I don't know why diverted flight to Dover AFB.

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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 11:05 am

"why not McGuire AFB in New Jersey? "

Because President Bush is still in NY, and ever since 9-11 he's been flying into McGuire for security reasons. That means his aircraft (AF-1) and other support crews are still at McGuire AFB, so it's probably wise not to go there.

The next closest active AFB with a security detail would be Dover, Willow Grove NAS in PA and the Stewart airport in New Burgh NY are Guard and Reserve bases and probably aren't ready for such a diversion.
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 11:39 am

ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 11:50 am

AF1 flew into JFK on Sept 11. so did they move the plane to McGuire AFB or is it still at JFK
 
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 11:58 am

Don't know about you but when I listen to ATC in New York I have a hell of a time understanding what they are saying...... and I'm British !!

Should they get some people that speak clear english for ATC ??
 
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 12:08 pm

Hmmm...

I work for Air Portugal here in the United States. I am not at work during the week, but when I get in on Saturday, I will ask Mr. Mauricio for more info.

If it was a miscommunications error, then I suspect I know who it was.

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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 12:19 pm

Hkgspotter1, umm they New York ATCers do speak clear English at least to me!!!!!!!! New Yorkers like myself do have an accent. It may take a while to get used to it. The ATC people in New York do slow down in their communications though when it comes to International Flights and are very clear, well it seems to me. Our New York Accent can be tough to understand, but when I am in say Texas I have a hard time understanding them  Smile

And BizJets, what do you do for Air Portugal at EWR and welcome to Airliners.net
 
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 12:46 pm

Thanks for the warm welcome but I have been here for YEARS! I just never posted. Big grin

I work for them at their offices.

I have a strong feeling I know who the captain was. We have one that NO ONE can understand, be it English or Portuguese.  Yeah sure

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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 12:47 pm

NYC ATC is excellent, approach, ground, everything. They speak very well, slowly, clearly, and without accents. Just by listening to them on air band I can tell you that. They really make efforts to be understood. If you want to take a listen, there is a site on the net the webcasts JFK arrival & departure, quite often it is full though. I dont know the website address though.
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Fri Sep 13, 2002 1:31 pm

Biz Jet, sounds like you were correct; heres an excerpt from a article on Reuters.com:

"In the other diversion, a federal transport department spokeswoman said Air Portugal Flight 1315 from Lisbon was ordered to fly to Dover, Delaware because of an apparent miscommunication between the pilots and air traffic controllers."

What an idiot!

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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Sat Sep 14, 2002 12:12 am

Any updates from this incident?
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Sat Sep 14, 2002 1:05 am

Here's the lastest info that I have:

http://www.tsf.pt/online/vida/interior.asp?id_artigo=TSF94113

Avião da TAP regressa a Nova Iorque
Um avião da TAP foi desviado, na quinta-feira à noite, para uma base militar norte-americana, em Delaware, estando já de regresso ao aeroporto JFK de Nova Iorque. O motivo do desvio deveu-se a um mal-entendido com a torre de controlo.

06:51
13 de Setembro 02


Um avião da TAP foi desviado pelas autoridades norte-americanas para a base militar de Dover, Delaware, tendo já regressado ao destino original, o aeroporto JFK, em Nova Iorque.

Segundo responsáveis norte-americanos confirmaram à TSF, o aparelho foi desviado devido a um mal-entendido, que levou a torre de controlo a pedir ao comando aéreo dos Estados Unidos para que o aparelho fosse escoltado para Delaware, por dois caças F-16.

O porta-voz da base de Dover, o major Andersson, explicou que «ao que parece houve um erro de comunicação, um pequeno mal-entendido entre o piloto e o nosso controlo de tráfego aéro dos Estados Unidos. Nestes casos são dadas ordens ao piloto para que aterre no aeroporto mais próximo, o que aconteceu às 18:25 [23:25 em Lisboa])

O procedimento usado foi o normal, tendo o piloto do Airbus A-340, com cerca de 235 pessoas, entre passageiros e tripulação, recebido a ordem de alteração de rota quando estava já perto do aeroporto.

Na base de Dover, o avião foi inspeccionado por agentes da Agência de Segurança nos Transportes, criada depois do 11 de Setembro, e os passageiros foram retirados do aparelho, tendo ficado num edifício da base por cerca de seis horas.

A base ofereceu-se depois para reabastecer o avião da TAP e para colocar a bordo refeições quentes para os passageiros que ficaram retidos uma boa parte da noite.




MY TRANSLATION:

TAP Air Portugal Aircraft Returns to New York
A TAP aircraft was diverted, on Thursday night, to an American military base in Delaware, having since return to JFK airport in New York. The reason for the diversion was a misunderstanding between the pilot and the control tower.

According to American authorities, who have confirmed this information to TSF, the aircraft was diverted because of a misunderstanding which led to the ATC tower to request US Air Force assistance in escorting the aircraft to Delware with two F16's.

The spokesman for the Dover base, Major Anderson, explained that the "there seemed to be an error in communication, a small misunderstanding between our pilot and US ATC. In this cases, the airplane is asked to land at the nearest airport, with it did at 18:25 [ 23:25 in Lisbon]"


The procedures used were the normal ones, with the pilot of the Airbus A340, with about 235 people, including passengers and crew, receive the alteration of the route already close to the airport.

At the Dover base, the aircraft was inspecting by the TSA, created after the 11th of September, and the passengers were removed and transported to a building at the base where they waited 6 hours. (That's a lie, they were only there for three).


The base then offered to refuel the TAP plane and place warm meals on board for the passengers who had spent most of their night at the base.






http://www.tsf.pt/online/vida/interior.asp?id_artigo=TSF94132

TAP aceita explicações norte-americanas

A Transportadora Aérea Portuguesa já adiantou que aceita as explicações das autoridades norte-americanas para o desvio de um avião, que fazia a ligação Lisboa-Nova Iorque, para uma base militar, em Dover.

Mesmo tendo-se apurado ser um mal-entendido a estar na origem do desvio, o avião da TAP foi revistado por agentes da Agência para a Segurança nos Transportes, criada depois do 11 de Setembro, e os mais de 200 passageiros foram sujeitos a um breve interrogatório.

As autoridades aéreas também confirmaram à TSF ter-se tratado de um mal-entendido entre os controladores aéreos e o piloto português, que não terá seguido imediatamente as instruções dadas pela torre, que implicavam uma alteração nas práticas normais de voo, devido às restrições sobre o espaço aéreo nova-iorquino.

O Airbus A-340 da TAP esteve retido por mais de seis horas na base militar de Dover, no Estado de Delaware, a cerca de 250 quilómetros de Nova Iorque. Depois da revista e interrogatório aos passageiros, colocados num edifício da base, com alimentos e bebidas à disposição, o avião regressou ao aeroporto JFK, o destino original.

Há que entender os norte-americanos

Por outro lado, a TAP informou ir investigar o caso, mas António Monteiro, porta-voz da empresa, disse à TSF que há que entender as preocupações dos norte-americanos.

«É evidente que iremos apurar exactamente se há justeza nessa crítica ou não, mas pensamos que tudo deve ser visto à luz dos tempos actuais e apesar de tudo, tudo se seguiu com alguma normalidade».

«O que se passou depois do avião estar na base aérea foi conforme os procedimentos normais em situações destas. Houve um primeiro momento com um sentimento de dúvida, mas a viagem já acabou e acabou bem», concluiu o porta-voz.





MY TRANSLATION:

TAP Accepts North American Explanations

The Portuguese airline has already stated and accepted the explanation given by North American authorites reguarding a diversion of a plane, making the Lisbon-New York route, to a military base in Dover.

Even though it was realized that it was a misunderstanding that led to the diversion, the TAP plane was checked by TSA agents, created after Sept. 11 and the passengers were briefly interrogated.

The authorities also confirmed to TSF that it was a misunderstanding beteen air traffic controllers and the portuguese pilot, who hand not followed instructions given by the tower, reguarding an alteration of normal landing procedures because of restrictions in New York airspace.

The Airbus A340 from TAP was held at Dover Military base for over six hours (again??) in the state of delware, circa 250 KM from New York. After the security check, and interrogating of passengers, done at a building on the base with food and beverages available to all, the aircraft returned to JFK, the original destination.

On the other side, TAP informed that they would be investigating the case further, but Antonio Monteiro, the company's spokesperson, told TSF that we must understand the North American preoccupations.

"It is evident that we are goign to look into this, but we think things should be seen in light of the current times, but, even with everything, all continued with some degree of normalcy."

"What happened after the aircraft was on the ground was according to to all procedures in situations like these. There were a few moments of doubt, but the trip already ended and ended wall." concluded the spokesperson.

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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Sat Sep 14, 2002 1:26 am

Oh, and the misunderstanding was as follows.

The TAP A340 was trailing and Alitalia jet. Because AF1 was on the airport grounds and because it was Sept. 12, different landing procedures were in effect. The Alitalia jet was having difficulty communicating with the tower and when the TP plane came in and also was having dificulties received orders, it just created mass confusion so the aircraft was diverted to Dover.

The reason they chose Dover was because that was the orignal diversion airport in the flight plan.

And that information is from the source. Big grin

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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Sat Sep 14, 2002 3:44 am

BizJets, thanks for the info! Seems like the whole situation could have been handled much better than it was, but at least everything is fine now.

Was it in fact that pilot you were thinking of?
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RE: Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB

Sat Sep 14, 2002 4:18 am

All of you are Top Notch!!!!!! Thanks for the Info,cmsgop