kjet12
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Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 2:51 am

I was wondering why in airplane lavatories there are no windows? It would be nice if they did. If they had windows, I would think it would make them feel more spacious.

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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:12 am

The Tu134 does have windows in the lavs. Infact my favorite thing to do was to stand on the toilet and look out the window at the tail while cruizing. :P
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:17 am

because its bad enough that people miss while paying attention they don't need a distraction.

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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:35 am

SAS have windows in there lav. on different types of there airliners.
 
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:13 am

Is the lav not a sealed unit placed somewhere in an aircraft, therefore, a wall against the fuselage?
 
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:26 am

from what i could see on BA website, concorde does have windows in its lavs.
 
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:31 am

As ridiculous as this may sound, one probable reason that there are no windows is because the pax would be "afraid of peeping toms".

Yes, I know that you are not likely to encounter some yahoo perched in a tree with binoculars while cruisng along at 30,000 feet travelling at 550 mph. But still....you know how dumb (or gullible...or superstitious) the public can be....especially when it comes to air travel.

It's kind of like people not wanting to fly on flight #13.

...it's along those lines.
 
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:34 am

 
kjet12
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 5:10 am

Thanks for all of the info. I didn't realize that any had windows. Sk945: Thats a nice pic. Its too bad that U.S. airlines don't do nice things to their lavs like SK does.

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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 5:24 am

Perhaps they just want you to take care of your business and then get out, rather than ponder over the scenery.  Smile Actaully, the EMB-120 has a window in that tiny bathroom.
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 5:59 am

I was on an American Trans Air (former American Airlines) 707 charter flight once. The forward lavatory had a small window.
 
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 6:04 am


Lubcha 132 is right and besides how much time you plan to spend in there. The most I would do is to put a painting if so much.
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 6:10 am

Does "more spacious" mean pissing to the world  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:09 am

Eastern's Electras had windows in their lavatories. The lavatories were a little forward of the middle, right in the plane of the props. It was really noisy in there. You could stand up on the seat and look out the window at the props.

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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:11 am

Most of the JAL 747-400s have windows in their First Class lavatories. A electronic button activates the tint (on/off).
 
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:17 am

I have seen evrythig........ Cause I have never thought of putting windows in lavs  Smile But good choice.
 
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 11:04 am

Qantas F class do, saw it on Airport.
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 11:13 am

Seriously, it's probably to cut back on the average amount of time a person spends in there. People will have no interest in staying in a fully enclosed area for long and will get out as quickly as possible. But put windows in there and this may no longer be the case.
 
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 11:39 am

I don't think jets with engines mounted on the rear fuselage could have windows in the back. But the F/C lavs could get them. Make it even more first class, yeah?
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 11:40 am

EVA Air(BR) of Taiwan has one window in the first class lavatory on the upper deck of 747-400s. It is on the right side. I once had to "rush" to the lavatory and take care of business while the plane was still at the gate. When I was done, I realized I had forgotten to pull the shade down. (which was really not necessary as the upper deck lavator was too high for anyone to see in...)  Big grin
 
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 11:46 am

The first class lav on Saudi Arabian MD-90's has a window. Not only that but it has a little pull up blind for privacy. Why you need privacy at 35000 Ft I don't know.  Smile
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 11:57 am

Thanks alot guys, now whenever I go on a plane I am going to be looking in every lav for a window, the F/As are gonna think I'm a terrorist, and my excuse will be "I was just looking for a lavatory with a window in it!"
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kjet12
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 12:34 pm

LMP737: I think the reason they have blinds is so that when you are taking a piss, you wont have the sun blinding you. Also if you are on the ground, you probibly don't want some ground staff seeing you like this:

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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 12:37 pm

Say I have to use the bathroom while the plane is at the gate, or there is a delay. Do I really want people in the plane next to me to see me doing my private things?

Seriously though, the lavatory is where you go to the bathroom. You go in, do what you have to do, and get out. If you want to look out the window, go to your seat.

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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 7:09 pm

Jeremy from Airport also showed that Aeroflot had windows in its brand new 777, and he told that they were the only company to have it......ooops there he was wrong! I think he should just stay in the Santa Claus business  Laugh out loud
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 7:24 pm

The Qantas First Class toilets have windows, and I must say it's rather nice. They have a special feature as well. When the aircraft is on the ground, and when the door is unlocked inflight, the window is fogged so people can't see in or out. However in flight when the door is locked the window unfog's and you have a clear view of the world outside.

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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 12:33 am

As mentioned briefly above, the reason most lavs don't have windows is that in all newer airplanes they are modular in design, so the airline can place them wherever they want in the aircraft. This also allows for easier maintenance as the entire unit can be removed and replaced if there is a problem with it. All it takes is flipping a couple of latches (and unhooking the water/waste lines) and you're free to pull the lav out. In some locations (usually first class) the position won't change, so a few airlines do decide to spend the extra $ and install windows.

A couple years ago I even witnessed an incident on one of our DC-10's, where a new FE was operating the main entry door on the left, unaware that the lav just aft of the door had been worked on the previous night and had been left a couple inches out of place without being locked back down to the floor. The door came down on the lav and in an instant ripped one side right off of it. We had to take a delay until the mess could be cleaned up.

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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:46 am

The Saab 2000 turboprops have a window in the lav. There is the story that this was done on special request of Moritz Suter, at that time CEO of Crossair, the launch customer of the Saab 2000. Suter was quoted that he wants to offer a window in the lavatory in order to enable the passengers watch the beautiful scenery of the Swiss Alps even while being in the lav.

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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:57 am

tints and blinds? who's gonna be a peeping tom at 35,000ft? i'd be very worried if i had to pull the blind down cause someones looking in at me dropping the kids off  Wow!
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RE: Why No Windows In The Lavatories?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 7:08 am

No windows in the Concorde! The main reason might be the additional cost and the modular basis of airplane design.
There was some talk about removing the window on Lufthansa's Upper Deck toilets to save costs and make maintenande easier.