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USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil"

Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:22 am

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/020917/us_airways_1.html

US Airways Faults Delta on Rivalry
US Airways Chief Accuses Delta of Trying to Put It Out of Business
Tuesday September 17, 7:14 pm ET

By MATTHEW BARAKAT, AP Business Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The president of US Airways accused Delta Air Lines of anticompetitive behavior Tuesday, criticizing an alliance Delta is pursuing with two other major carriers.

"Delta's strategy is built on one basic element: US Airways' failure," the company's president, David Siegel, said in reference to Delta's proposed code-share agreement with Continental Airlines and Northwest Airlines.

Siegel referred to the proposed Continental-Delta-Northwest partnership as the "Axis of Evil" and called Delta Chairman Leo Mullin "Dr. Evil."


Okay... I'm curious to see what everybody thinks.

My opinion is this: It's the most hilarious thing I've seen all year!

*ROTFLMAO*
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:29 am





Hmmm. any resemblance?
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:35 am

what a baby.

i think that that alliance pretty much covers the entire US so it could work.


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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:38 am

Okay... I'm curious to see what everybody thinks.

I think he is way over exageratting. Obviously the NW/CO/DL deal is there to help them compete better. However, I am totally against it.
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:42 am

Don't get me wrong, I like Us Airways, but the CEO is being paranoid when he says "Delta's strategy is built on one basic element: US Airways' failure,". Delta may not be as weak as Us Airways, but like all American carriers, they are having financial problems and low passenger numbers. Delta is just trying to get some strong business partners and provide the best service possible.

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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:48 am

I think US Airways will fail regardless of DAL's actions. The Leo is Dr. Evil comment is hilarious. You have to love a CEO that will say something like that. Funnier even the Gordon's 'Box of rocks' comment. Maybe he is trying to rally the troops with a "us against the world" approach.

What does he think the other competitors are going to do with US Airways on the ropes? Maybe everyone should pull out of PIT, PHL, LGA, and DCA until US Airways gets back on its feet? Can't we all just get along?
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:51 am

Greetings:

It's about competition and survival. By taking away two large competitors and combining your forces you can now feed off of each other's strengths and provide customers real choice over low cost carriers. I wouldn't be surprised to see these three merge with one division turning it self into a low cost carrier. Siegel really has no right to speak, US Airways has a code share with UAL. That code share provides total cost to cost coverage and international coverage. NW, CO, and DL don't have the same presence on the West cost as UAL does and US Airway's coverage on the East cost is equal to both DL and CO.

Regards
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:03 am

Hey, when you're in bankruptcy it's easy to put blame on others.
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:06 am

a little O/T
When is the DOT going to make a decision on the UA/US alliance? Isn't it coming up?
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:21 am

What is funny as for Dr. Evil on the picture as for himself. I did seen with on the movie by the t.v as for myself. Big grin I'm still thinking about will have codeshare with DL/NW/CO as for join by skyteam alliance by soon in early Spring 2003. I think. If they are made of DOT is approved as for the 3 airlines. And will be ready goes into the codeshare with them. Ok? Well, goodnight!!

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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:25 am

WAAAAHHH! They stole my airline!!!

Ahem...  Yeah sure

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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:28 am

That is just too funny. You know, that picture of Leo looks kind of like Jack Nicholson from the The Shining ROTF

Needless to say, it appears that the US chief is grasping at some straws here. I do have to thank him for his humor though. Who would play the role of "Mini Me"?
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 12:00 pm

Siegal used to be at a rental car company. He should know what evil is. Try retuning a car that is 1 gallon of gas shy of full and 1 minute over the agreed upon return time. We're talkin $5.00 for the gas and a prorate for 1 hr for that extra minute. Try renting a car from LGA or JFK for under $50.00 for a friggin Geo Metro.....Siegal knows what evil is.

USAirways problems are all Delta's fault. Never mind incompetent management, a mosaic fleet of a/c and a route network that pirates it's own hubs. Never mind the infamous 'There is no plan B' comment made by Wolf after the demise opf the US/UA merger.

Yep. It's pretty clear that DL is to blame for the misdeeds of 2 decades of shear incompetence from the office in Crystal City. Siegal is behaving like Hitler in his bunker.
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 12:14 pm

I wonder if this means that US Airways won't be getting that loan guarantee for 900 meeeeeeellion dollars...or if Delta will ask for the whole ten beeeeellion dollars. I wonder if the RJ's will be renamed Mini-Jets.

Seriously, though, the US-UA codeshare was clearly aimed directly at Delta, and less so at Continental. I don't think it is at all surprising that they responded to the competitive threat; after all, the broad majority of the traffic gained from a UA-US codeshare would come from DL and CO.
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 12:16 pm

USAirways folks....Find a new job fast!

I seem to recall the last years of the 80s and the first couple of the 90s, it became almost a hobby for Pan Am execs to whine about the vulture called American hovering over their quickly expiring carcass.

Should we call these "parting shots".....or "any last words?"?
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 1:49 pm

That's hilarious. I think Siegel needs a vacation. Actually, I'm surprised he isn't calling Jim Parker and David Neeleman "Dr. Evil and Mini Me." They're hurting US's bottom line far more than is DL. To which I as a consumer say, thanks be to God. Reasonably priced air transportation has reached the Northeast at last.

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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:25 pm

Just a very far-fetched scenario I heard on the local TV station:

If US Airways gets the federal loan guarantee and fails to pay back the money, the U.S. gov't will have to pay the banks. (a very likely scenario)

When that happens, the U.S. gov't will essentially own a large part US Airways? As an owner, it is in their best interest to see US Airways get back on its feet again.

Why would the government approve the CO/NW/DL alliance if it will directly or indirectly hurt US Airways in the long run? It makes more sense to reject the CO/NW/DL deal and approve UA/US.

Isn't there some conflict of interest here?
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:51 pm

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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 7:20 pm

Perhaps US should focus on its internal cost structure, and stop flailing around looking for external factors to blame for their troubles.

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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:08 pm

Even if it were so that Delta's only focus is putting US Airways out of business... that is what free market economics is all about, isn't? Beating your competitors? I thought Americans were so proud of their free market economy.

But serious, Delta is obviously securing it's own future, and this alliance is a good step in that direction.
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:24 pm

The identification of Mullin as Dr. Evil should come as a relief to Air Canada CEO (and former Delta exec) Robert Milton. Milton complained once that he was being accused of being Dr. Evil.

Delta is doing something to help itself by offering its passengers a wider range of connection options. What is US Airways doing to help itself by helping its passengers?

 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:36 pm

And all these years I thought AA was the Axis of Evil, employing "skynazi's", and Crandall was Dr. Evil. When did they relinquish the titles?
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:57 pm

I think only when the gun is pointing at you , I becomes uncomfortable.
But when US was pulling towards a merger with UA then it was a perfectly " normal " business decsition , well now you can see the consequences , so live with it .........


Just my 2 cents .....


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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Thu Sep 19, 2002 12:12 am

Siegel's idea of competition is for DL to quietly lay back while US and UA link up and divert market share AWAY from DL. According to Siegel, should DL try to protect themselves from this revenue and passenger diversion by forming an alliance of their own, its deemed as "evil". The fact is, US is in a world of hurt due mostly to problems of their own making and DL has actually been beating up on US for many years without the aid of an alliance. In a speech to employees a while back I remember Leo Mullin stating that DL would not just sit back and "allow our competition to hurt us". This is one of the ways DL is choosing to bolster its business and address the proposed competitive threats. It just good COMPETITIVE business. Siegel needs to stop watching so many movies and find ways to effectively compete.
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Thu Sep 19, 2002 1:46 am

>>It just good COMPETITIVE business. Siegel needs to stop watching so many movies and find ways to effectively compete. <<

First step met...all labor agreements are ratified and will give US among the lowest labor costs in the country. Next up....fleet rationalization.
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Thu Sep 19, 2002 1:47 am

Milemaster,

I love it!
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Thu Sep 19, 2002 4:28 am

In the US we have this little thing called capitalism, social darwinism, survival of the fittest. If the code share agreement works out, it's just business comptition. No one said US couldn't do the same.
It just sounds as though US is looking to point the finger of blame for their (maybe) demise.

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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo

Thu Sep 19, 2002 5:30 am

First off, the statement regarding Delta as the "Axis of Evil" has caused me to lose a lot of my respect for David Siegal. In the United States' views (these may contradict with your country's view, I am just stating the United States'), Iran, Iraq, and North Korea are legitimate threats to attack/harbour an attack towards United States' interests. These countries have the potential to cause great harm to many of the world's people. On the other hand, Delta is trying to raise revenue in a time of financial non-prosperity. One way to do this is through code-shares, as now Delta will have much better access to several Southwestern and Midwestern communities through Continental and Northwest respectively. It's not like US Airways is innocent on this topic, they are doing the same thing with United; reaching more communities, and hence, raising additional revenue. What Siegal said was an absolute stupid remark in this environment.

He complains about overlapping of routes. Here are the new routes that would be overlapped:

EWR-ATL
EWR-BOS
EWR-CVG
EWR-MCO
EWR-FLL
CLE-ATL
CLE-CVG
IAH-ATL
IAH-CVG
IAH-DFW
IAH-SLC
MEM-ATL
MEM-CVG
DTW-JFK
DTW-ATL
DTW-CVG
MSP-SLC
MSP-ATL
MSP-CVG
Total: 19 Routes

That's not that bad. I even think what would happen is that DL and NW/CO would compete on all these routes, save for possibly EWR-BOS (where DL is flying 4 FRJs against 15 CO 737s, I think DL would dump EWR-BOS and reallocate the RJs and get away with it.)

And one more thing, Dave; if you think that you're going to get your alliance; DL will probably too. It'll be a take all or leave all scenario, I think.

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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Thu Sep 19, 2002 5:32 am

US Airways got it wrong. Robert Crandall will ALWAYS be the "Dr. Evil" of the airline industry. Shrewd and smart, yes, but also a very bitter, conniving man. And totally unapologetic for his airline's anticompetitive moves.

I'd also put Frank Lorenzo ahead of Leo Mullin for the "Dr. Evil" title.

Seems to me that Delta has 'fought fair' more often than any of the other major carriers. I don't see Delta fighting to maintain the Wright Amendment, or whining about Long Beach slots, or complaining that it's Southwest's fault airports are so congested.

US Airways is playing the blame game. I'm really pulling for them and hope they survive bankruptcy, but if they keep up whiny stunts like this, I'm going to stop holding my breath.
 
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Thu Sep 19, 2002 12:02 pm

Personally,
I think Siegal better keep his you know what out of Delta's business, and worry about running his own airline!!! Good Lord!!
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RE: USAir CEO: DL Is "Axis Of Evil," Leo Is "Dr. Evil&q

Thu Sep 19, 2002 12:12 pm

"...And so, Airline Stabilization Board, I'm holding the city of Rochester, New York hostage for the sum of ONE BEEEELYON DOLLARS!(sound of evil laughter)."

Cut to horrified look on the face of the Mayor of Rochester and Chairman of the ASB crossing off a line on his list of airline applicants...TC

P.S.--Can anyone photoshop the heads of Stephen(don't call me Steve) Wolf and Ganwal onto the bodies of Dr. Evil and MiniMe, respectively?
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