eire24
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Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:12 pm

Hey, I was just wondering if anyone has flown on Delta's 767-300 or Continental's 757-200 Internationally.

I'm booking a flight from Cincinnati to Dublin, Ireland in December and those are my planes choices. I assume that neither one offer's PTV on these planes, any one know otherwise? Plus . . do you think there's a huge difference in comfort etc., between flying a 767 or 757 on an 8 hour flight.

Thanks for any input.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:24 pm

The 767-300 is 2-3-2 so you are never more then one seat away from an isle. The 757 is 3-3 so if you sit at a window, going to the restroom is a problem.
Personally, I prefer Delta's service above Continental's, but that is just a matter of opinion. If you fly Delta, try to get in BusinessElite. It is fabulous.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:14 pm

A 757 for 8 hours would be torture (especially in coach). Go for the widebody.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 12:14 am

Back in June I flew CO's 757 from Houston to Lima, Peru. The flight was 6 hours going and 6.5 on the return. The return was a red-eye and I mostly catnapped and it wasn't too bad. Going was an aisle seat and there were two meal services and it wasn't too bad. I do think you have more room to stand up and walk around a bit in the 767 as I get really tired of sitting for so long. Everyone was wanting to stand up and move around in the 757 but the room was limited due to the single aisle and smaller plane. I really think CO service is great especially internationally.

Enjoy your flight whoever you choose!
 
BWIrwy4
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 12:24 am

I'd take the 757 flight. My feeling is that seat comfort is much more important than whether it's a widebody or narrowbody. Delta is not known for their comfortable seating.
 
erikr
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 12:41 am

I flew Delta 767-300 from JFK to ATH and back in 1999. I was upgraded to Business Elite, which was truly great. The food kept coming and the seats were quite comfortable.

On the way back, I was in the last row in coach (as well as recovering from food poisoning - not Delta's fault!), and still remember being comfortable. The FAs were passing out free booze (which I avoided in my state) and seemed quite friendly. The 10 hour flight seemed to pass quickly. I would recommend the Delta flight.

While I haven't flown CO internationally, they are now charging for all alcoholic drink service. While they claim it is to make dinner service better, it is yet one less perk.

In my opinion, there is truly something to be said about flying a wide body internationally. I would take Delta.

-Erik
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:08 am

Take Continental. I flew a CO 757 from EWR-IAH, and the flight was great. Economy had ample space, and CO's international service is superb. Flew them to Paris last Christmas, and the cabin and meal service was great. Delta's 763's have almost no room in them. It's like a cattle car. Service isn't too bad, but the room sucks. I flew on one of their 763's this past July from ATL-CVG. The flight was only an hour long, but I was ready to scream after it was over, as the seats were so cramped!
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:21 am

I've flown on CO's international-configuration 757 in BusinessFirst. I think First had PTV's, don't know about coach. Although I think CO's service is tops, I suppose I would have to weigh the pros and cons of flying a 757 in coach for 8 hours (if you know you're definitely flying coach). Anyway, CO's international 757's have 16 first class seats vs. 20 for domestic. The cabin was awesome and I wouldn't have any trouble flying in BusinessFirst for 8 hours on a '57.
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:31 am

There is no difference between a widebody and narrowbody on long haul unless you plan to spend the flight training for the London Marathon.

Go for the narrowbody every time, here's a brilliant reason why: less people at baggage claim and immigration.
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:56 am

Delta has a better service product than CO.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 7:21 am

If you fly DL you have to go through ATL, CO you go through EWR. I think EWR is the most direct and quickest route.
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 7:37 am

Actually, DL would probably be connecting in JFK. EWR has less delays, and will be an easier connection, as the CO terminal just underwent a major renovtion.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 7:37 am

Plus it is more like 6 and a half hours from Newark to Dublin. So it is no longer than a transcon flight. Plus I found the inflight service on Continental to be better than most. You'll get a full meal plus a snack prior to arrival. However there are no PTVs on the 757, but it has the flip downs LCDs instead of the TV monitors over the aisle.
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 9:21 am

In Coach, Continental's service is hands-down better than Delta's. I would take a 757 in an instant over a 763, the meals, crews, and amenities are generally a cut above Delta's. Up front, the two product are quite comparable, and flying in either one is a treat. However, the DL 767 BE seat width is quite narrow (18.5"), as compared to CO which has 21"/22" seat width standard on all BF seats. I really like the "private cabin" feeling of the 757 in BF, but since you make no mention of upgrading to a premium product, I will refrain from going into too much detail on on those products.

Either choice you can't go wrong with, I rate Delta as a fairly distant second to Continental for US carriers intercontinental products. AA and UA get good legroom and food, but have crummy IFE's and/or crews. US has a great IFE and seat configuration (A330 ONLY, 767 is poor IMO), but the crews can be bad at times. NW has poor legroom and IFE, but I have found their food to be OK sometimes, and every now and then I get a great crew. DL has poor legroom and seats, poor IFE, but usually good crews and decent meals. I find CO to be as close as you can get to the total package, fair legroom (767, 777 and 757 can be cramped in certain rows and ships), great IFE (except for 757, which is only decent), comfortable seats, good food, and of course, good crews 9 times out of 10.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 9:26 am

Fly the Delta 767-300. They operate out of the old Pan Am terminal at JFK which is good news becasue its beautiful and historic. Also widebodies are so much better long haul. The newer Delta 767-300's are very nice and so are most of the old ones. FLY DELTA!
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lubcha132
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 9:28 am

there's something about a widebody plane..i don't feel the love. and i love the 757 so i would definitely give it a shot. some of the best service i've ever had on a flight was a CO 752 (EWR-PBI) even post 911
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:22 am

Fly CO, I need to keep my job.

Plus to guy (757) who thinks DL is better than CO, how many times have you compared the two airlines?
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:26 am

To offset Calpilot (no offense, man)

Fly Delta; I need to keep my job  Smile
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:31 am

I'd go with the 767. As others have pointed out, that way, with a window seat, you only have to get over one person to get out.

That said, as much as I love the window, for longer flights the aisle seats are your friends (if you like to get up all the time like I end up doing). ANd if you take the centerline aisle seats, you've always got the best chance (especially if you are an elite FF) of ending up with the center seat being empty (after all, few people want the middle seat, and if only 1 in 7 seats is a middle seat...well, you see the odds).

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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:17 am

Ah, gotta love how people come out of the woodwork and boldly state their opinions without actually checking to see if they're true.

I suppose it's fun to think that Continental has "better legroom" or "more pitch" than Delta, but unfortunately, when it comes time to see if that's actually the case, you guys will be disappointed.

Continental offers predominant 31 inch pitch in coach on the 757. Delta offers predominant 32 inch pitch on the 767-300ER.

Give me the widebody anyday. I don't know about everybody else around here, but on a long flight, I prefer the bigger airplane and the one with more room. The 767 has large aft galleys and door areas and that means more areas to stand up and stretch during the flight.
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:21 am

"Actually, DL would probably be connecting in JFK"

Actually DL dropped both JFK-DUB and JFK-SNN last year, they no longer serve Ireland from NY.
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 12:05 pm

I assume you haven't made any firm travel plans yet.
Why not try Aer Lingus? (you're going to Ireland after all)
It is a OneWorld partner and you can earn miles in AA, BA,
QF and several other frequent flyer programs.

Aer Lingus flies from ORD, BOS, and JFK to Dublin, using
Airbus 330s. (2-4-2 config.) There are a lot more seats,
compared to 767s and 757s. You have a better chance of
sitting next to an empty seat. For theri A330 seating
chart, click here:
http://www.flyaerlingus.com/images/seat_map_a330_300_24j.jpg

In additoin, Aer Lingus usually have lower fares than US
carriers, especially during winter months.

Last but not least: currently Air France seems to have the lowest fare between CVG and DUB... not sure why... If you don't mind connecting in Paris. With AF, you can still earn Delta miles...

Hope this helps...  Smile
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 2:04 pm

I would go on the 757, you can always get to fly a 767 internationally, but that would be interesting to go on something smaller like the 757.

-Dmitry
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 3:17 pm

It would be nice if someone could get a CO 757 BusinessFirst pic in the database.
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 4:30 pm

I fail to understand how somebody would prefer flying transatlantic in a single isle plane. That really sucks!
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 4:37 pm

CO opperates the 767-400 from EWR-CLE, so in that case you got to go with CO. I flew BOS-EWR-DUB on CO in May and the service, food, and seats were great! The inflight entertainment is also very nice. BizFirst is one of the nicest in the industry.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 4:37 pm

Sorry, I ment CO opperates the 764 from EWR-DUB
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 8:12 pm

I fail to understand how somebody would prefer flying transatlantic in a single isle plane. That really sucks!


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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:48 pm

jhooper...As for the 757 BF cabin pic, the 757 BF seats are close to, if not exactly identical to the old 777 BF seats as well as the current 767 BF seats. I have flown in BF on the 757 once and did not notice anything different. I was in a bulkhead which made it difficult to determine if the amount of space was the same. They may be slightly smaller in order to fit the smaller plane, but I doubt that this is the case. Seating is in a 2x2 config with 4 rows of seating (16 total seats). Certainly made for a comfortable ride.

As for coach on the CO 757 (intl), try to grab an exit row seat in row 16 (much more legroom and still reclines) or 15 if you value leg room (doesnt recline though). For more, see www.seatguru.com. They have maps for all of Continental's fleet as well as Delta, United, American, and US Air. Very useful.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:07 pm

Ive flown continental ewr-sfo on a 757, and was so happy to get off the plane. Even though I had a window seat, the flight was miserable cause both of my seatmates were asleep the whole time, and had to wake them up when I wanted to go to the bathroom. This will be a likely scenario on a transatlantic flight as most people go to sleep after the first meal service and dont wake up until landing. Also, crews, meals, service etc. were similar to deltas... Another note, the 757 seems so crowded and claustrophobic in comparison to a widebody. Well, its up to you, but i recommend you choose delta...
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:12 pm

Aer Lingus to Dublin non-stop from Boston is a good flight. The seats are roomy in economy, (meaning my knees didnt have to be pried out of the seatback in front of me) The food was the usual airplane stuff. The staff was very nice. There was a full meal after take-off, and the usual snack-breakfast before landing. If you go, make sure you get the non-stop from Boston, not the flight with the stop in Shannon. It adds time, and nuisance to the flight.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Fri Sep 20, 2002 3:58 am

As a flight attendant, I've noticed passengers prefer to fly on widebodies of course. The 757 flying on transcontinental or transatlantic routes can be cramped. It is a constant fight between the passenger's and the beverage cart when it is time to use the restroom.

FLY DELTA B767 JETS!!!!!!
 
mf3864
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RE: Delta 767-300 Or Co 757-200 Internationally

Fri Sep 20, 2002 4:05 am

Here's how the airlines solve the single-aisle issue... Take out a row of seats. A 757/737/A319/320 becomes 3+2, with enough room in the aisle for the carts, and people with weak bladders. Plus, more room for people to jockey their huge carry-on bags into the overhead and not block the aisle...

Or, take out a row of seats in the middle of hte plane, put in a staircase down, and have bathrooms below. (and up front, and behind) less chance of being trapped.

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