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Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 4:46 pm

Well the rumor about DAL purchasing A318's is back, hot and heavy.

Anyone hear anything on the street?

I promised to eat a "crow" if DAL ever purchased an Airbus product and I'm afraid I'm looking for an appropriate wine for my meal.

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 5:13 pm

I haven't heard anything over in MTC, but I'm pretty low on the food chain. The only rumors about it I've heard were from some of my pilot buddies.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:02 pm

Hey Doug...

That rumor's come and gone so many times that I've decided I'll believe it when one's parked in Delta colors outside TOC.

I can think of a ton of reasons for Delta not to buy the A318 but it's kind of hard to come up with more than a handful of reasons for it to be a good idea. My prediction is still for the 737-700.

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:02 pm

And, I forgot to mention, that if I am wrong after all, I'll join you in a nice meal of crow.
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:10 pm

I can't see DL buying any Airbus too. If they want 737-600s they just need to ask SAS about a deal. If they want 737-700s, well then ask Boeing.

Don't know about that crow meal.  Smile

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 9:11 pm

The only way DL would own an Airbus in the next 5 to 10 years would be if they acquired an airline that currently owns them at which point I'm sure DL would try to sell them immediately. Airbus aircraft (this is not an AB vs BAC comment) just do not fit in to DL's fleet and rationalization plans. This is purely a rumor based solely on wild speculation and conjecture not on facts.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 9:55 pm

What about the 717? It would perfectly match the demands of thinner routes to and from CVG and MCO.
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:02 pm

I don't see Delta buying any new aircrafts in the near future given the slump in global air travel. Beside, Delta isn't likely to buy any Airbus aircraft as it doesn't fit in with their fleet plan which is dominated by Boeings.
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:26 pm

The rumor that I have heard from friends in Atlanta, AND THIS IS STILL NOTHING BUT RUMOR, is A319's to go with the B757's for the new Delta Express. This has not been substantiated by any source, whatsoever, but the rumor has been going around at least among my friends at TechOps.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:57 pm

Delta will never buy any Airbus product, because of the reasons that have been mentioned here a hundred times before. And no, I won't eat a crow, but I will personally lick the shoes of every Airbus-fan on this forum that keeps me to this promise. But rest assured, DL and Airbus: it will never happen!
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:00 pm

Rumours are rumours.

Delta has a deal with Boeing stating DL only buys Boeing jets for the next 20 years! So there!

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:09 pm

Those 'exclusive' contracts Boeing made with the majors were torned-up years ago, after Airbus cried foul. But getting back to the topic...no, I can't see Delta getting the A318. It just doesn't fit with the rest of thier fleet. The 736/73G has a better chance. Airbus may be getting ready to offer DL a killer deal on lease/purchase prices, but DL has always looked at the bottom line beforehand, namely training/operating/commonality costs. Just my thoughts. Regards.
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:09 pm

Arsenal@LHR:

Actually, that agreement was nullified by Delta and Boeing in light of anti-competitive complaints from Airbus... so while these are still rumors, that one barrier does not exist.

 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:20 pm

That's interesting, cos i heard of these deals when they happened and still thought they were still in place.

In this case, this barrier does not exist, a major hurdle out of the way, so in reality we can never rule out the possiblity of a deal between DL and Airbus, even though the chances are slim, with Airbus giving away discounts and attractive packages.

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:25 pm

Guys, it is not going to happen. Perhaps 15 years from now, but not in this decade. And I already placed a wager on that.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:28 pm

If Delta got a really good offer on A319's, they'd be unwise to turn it down.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:34 pm

Personally, I think the A318 would not be a good move for DL because it doesnt fit in with their fleet...they get the 736 and that matches nicely with the 738...most airlines seem to try to be narrowing their fleet types down for simplification of maintenance and training, and buying the A318 just doesnt fit...now if DL was really seriously considering the A318, then I think that maybe they should ponder getting A320's to replace the 738 for fleet simplicity...just a thought...

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:35 pm

People said Boeing (British) Airways would never buy Airbus

People said United would never buy Airbus

People said Northwest would always choose MD or Boeing over Airbus

People said Air France would never order the B777

Funny what people say; let's just wait and see, shall we  Smile

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:41 pm

BlueShamu: some things will *never* happen. Remind me of my earlier statements.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:57 pm

Oh, I have to add :

"People said that QANTAS will never buy non-Boeing airplanes.."

I agree with Shamu... just let us wait and see....  Smile

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:03 am

I don't believe Delta will by Airbus. Delta is a loyal Boeing costumer, and they always will be. If Delta buys Airbus, I will be very, very upset!

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:18 am

Delta737 and DeltaSFO: While you're making your wine selections, make sure you have the crows tested for West Nile. That's a heavy topic down in these parts these days.

Tom in NO (at MSY)

PS to Doug: does our taxiway Sierra still feel like a washboard to you?  Smile It's always given us problems fixing it (high water table).
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:26 am

Everyone that is sayine something like "DAL WILL NEVER BUY AIRBUS!!!" may want to consider that DAL is very seriously looking at Airbus and may indeed annouce an AB purchase is the very near future. Many higher ups have in DAL operations have openly stated that we are very serious looking at AB products for DAL.

Now please consider:

-DAL is disappointed with the 737-800.
-DAL is very disappointed with its relationship with Boeing.
-Fred Reid bought tons of AB when he was running Luftansa and he's the #2
guy and the heir apparent at DAL.
-Buying AB may be a politically expedient move for DAL and any competitive
moves DAL needs to make in EU countries.
-319's are abundantly available now for DAL's new low cost operation.
-318/319's have more range than any other potential airplanes. ie. more
range than the Boeings, Rjs, and the new Embrarer
-AB will make VERY FAVORABLE purchase arangements to DAL that will not
involve a big dent in DAL's available cash and may include initial training.
-DAL will secure a very favorable pilot payrate on this new airframe since the
pilot contract involves a new arbitration feature.

It's not a stretch to see AB 319's/318's on DAL's property. The decision makers have been saying right along that DAL wants a 100 seat aircraft. I'm guessing that it will be an Airbus because of the economics, polotics, and availability of an aircraft DAL wants now.


 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:06 am

MD88Captain brings up a lot of good points. I'll admit that it is hard to imagine DL buying Airbus, but it could just happen.

I think the other front runner in the 100 seater category is the EMB170/175/190. Rumors say that DL was not impressed with the 717 or the 736.

Boeing seems to be doing everything it can to p*ss off its most loyal customers. Sooner or later, it's going to come back and haunt them.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:49 am

MD88Captain- You said:

-DAL is disappointed with the 737-800.
-DAL is very disappointed with its relationship with Boeing.


Please elaborate.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:19 am

My only sentence: "Never say never"...

 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:30 am

DL_widget_head,

How exactly does this article "put to rest" this rumor? Please elaborate...
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:32 am

For those who missed the quote by Leo Mullin in the above article here it is...

"Mullin said aircraft will likely include the Boeing 737, the plane operated by the leading low-cost carrier Southwest Airlines (NYSE:LUV - News)."



 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:41 am

The article doesn't really say much about what DL are going to do. If I was writing an article about Delta starting a low-cost subsidiary I'd say it was likely to include 737s cos they are the definitive low-cost airline, erm, airliner.

What I want to know is, why are DL disappointed with the 737NG? It seems to be the only thing in the Boeing product line that is moving (777 seems to be doing OK as well). I haven't heard anywhere else that it's not a winner, unlike the 767-400. So can we have some concrete info about DL's perception of the 737NG? And why would they talk to SAS to buy more? Are SAS not wild about their 737s?
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:43 am

I expect that the low-fare division will use the 737.

However, this article does not mention (nor have anything to do with) the plane DL might purchase for the 100 seater market. DL needs a plane to fill the gap in mainline between the MD88 and the CRJ700.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:45 am

Yes,
The article says the fleet will likely include the 737. Nobody is arguing with that - the 737 is the obvious choice.

However, if the quote is accurate it also means that no final decision has been taken, as as such Airbus may still have a chance of securing the order.

Don't really know how this puts the nonsense about Airbus to rest.

----

As a general point, out of curiostiy, to all the people above who said Delta will never buy an Airbus, or words to that effect...
I'm assuming that wouldn't include the 9 A310-300s that Delta ordered to add to the fleet of ex-Pan Am A310s which Delta operated in the early 1990s when they acquired a large part of Pan Am's Trans-Atlantic network  Smile

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:46 am

Although the 'exclusivity' agreement was not ratified (well, actually ratified and then rescinded), it does have some clauses that make it expensive for DL to purchase aircraft other then Boeing in the scope of the agreement due to the significant penalties. This includes, but not limited to, rolling option cancellation penalties, order cancellation penalties, and an 'adjusted discount' penalty on aircraft ALREADY DELIVERED (this apparently is the killer because is allows Boeing to recoup a lot of the discounted price on all aircraft in service after the agreement was signed).

The contract is legal, binding, and in force. This is just the scope of the contract, I have no idea what the penalties would actualy amount to...however, it would be very substantial considering the fleet already delivered.

AA and CO have similiar agreements in lieu of the exclusivity contract.

Possibly this is the sore spot between Boeing and Delta?
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 3:00 am

After all the rumors, here's a quote straight from the horse's mouth:

The following is in excerpt from a Reuter's news report:

<< ... Such decisions about the new low-cost carrier include what routes it will fly, with what type of aircraft, any sort of branding propositions and the "employee paradigm," Mullin said at a meeting of the SkyTeam global airline alliance here.

Also under study is whether the new offering should be a separate organization from Delta. Mullin said aircraft will likely include the Boeing 737, the plane operated by the leading low-cost carrier Southwest Airlines ...>>
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 3:02 am


What about the possibility of Delta buying Airbus long-haul planes. It seems to me that the 330/340 family could more efficiently do the flying now spread across the 764, 777, and MD11 fleets, plus expand capacity on routes that have outgrown the 763 but do not merit a 777 or MD11. The 330/340 family would also allow DL to carry more cargo. Think about it: DL is unhappy with the 764, it has labor problems with the 777, and the MD11 has operational difficulties on many of the routes it files. Far-fetched, but might make sense in the long run?

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 3:06 am

Both DL_Widget_Head and PHX_Flyer seem to have missed the word *likely* in their quotes.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 3:09 am

Jesus Christ, Delta are going Airbus.
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 3:26 am

There are just some people who can't be convinced and will argue if the sky is blue or if the sun sets in the west etc., etc..

There is not one shred of evidence to suggest DL will sway from their stated goal of fleet simplicity and commonality that's achieved by an all BAC fleet. How some of you can run with this wild rumor when DL has parked dozens of new aircraft in the desert and deferred delivery of many NEW aircraft to preserve capital in this fiscally challenging environment is beyond me. The costs of bringing an all new fleet type into the system are astronomical. When Mullin said the LCC would "likely" include the 737 this should be interpreted to as opposed to other aircraft already within the DL fleet. Does it exist within the realm of possibilities that DL would acquire Airbus aircraft--yes; same possibilities of WN acquiring 777's or A380's. The preponderance of evidence does not support nor even suggest that this rumor has any basis in fact.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 3:30 am

With penalties, they would be the most expensive Airbus' ever purchased. In fact, Boeing would stand to make quite a profit from Delta buying Airbus--at least much more than Airbus would make on the deal!
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 3:39 am

Not happy with the 737's.........There are a lot of glitches fleet wide nothing major like hydraulics, but nonetheless there are glitches. The most minor being entertainment system related, up to engine problems and instrument problems. They require as much attention as some of the older planes in the fleet.

As for the 737-600, it is a heavy plane and doesn't offer beneficial economics on flights of short durations. The 717 offers better economics short haul, but the benefits of having it in the fleet is lost when it comes to training costs and maintenance costs due to there not being a product line for a larger a/c. Besides those points, the range on the 717 is lackluster.

Anything is possible in this day and age. If Airbus offers them a sweet deal on the A318/19/20 family as well as a deal on A340's for long haul.......You'll see the DL beach blanket logo adorning the tails of a lot of Airbus planes...

Just my 2 cents...
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 4:18 am

If DL took delivery of 80 or so Boeings under their agreement (since 98), conservatively the penalty would exceed $M500-700. It could actually be as high as $1.35B if any other orders were cancelled...or discounts beyond 25% list were contracted.

Airbus will need to have a very, very sweet deal to overcome that obstacle!

Entertainment problems are not really Boeings issue..they are supported by the by the IES Vendor.
Engine issues are addressed with CMFS....the same engines that are on most A32X's.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 4:37 am

Greg:

Would you please quote how you are coming up with this figure? From my memories of when the exclusive contract was nullified, there were no penalties for buying the other competitors planes. I think that under the original agreement, such penalties existed; but that with that nullified no such penalties on already purchased planes exist.

 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 4:42 am

"seriously considering the A318, then I think that maybe they should ponder getting A320's to replace the 738 for fleet simplicity...just a thought..."

Gregoria.....you are so evil..

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 4:50 am

Just because DL orders Airbus planes doesn't mean they will cancel the Boeing order and get penalized. A possible Airbus order would be primarily targeted at filling the 100 seat market. DL's current orders with Boeing are for 738's, 767's and 777's....none of which fit the 100 seat market.

This order would have nothing to do with DL's current Boeing order. Also, the penalty for buying non-Boeing aircraft can't be totally true...as DL buys non-Boeing RJ's (since Boeing doesn't buy the RJ) and is not penalized for doing so.

I'll admit that it is unlikely that DL will buy Airbus...it is far more likely that they will stick with Boeing. However, it is possible. I remember fondly people proclaiming that US would never buy Airbus and we all know how that turned out.

 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:08 am

With all the trouble Delta has with the MD-11's flying ns ATL__NRT maybe
Delta should buy the 16 A340-300's Boeing took in trade in from Singapore. I am sure Boeing would give them a very nice deal.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:11 am


Three specific points made by Fred Reid (#2 guy at DAL) in the pilot lounge in the last 2 weeks were:

1. Boeing refused to allow any aircraft deferments on DAL orders after 9/11.
2. BA ia basically subsidizing Airtran by turning $240 million in aircraft debt
into stock warrants for Boeing.
3. DAL found problems with new aircraft and DAL researched and told
how to fix the problems. BA then turned around and charged DAL for the
under intellectual property rights.

I took those three examples of another post on a pilot's website. I did not attend that particular meeting. But it all seems right. I've been hearing gripes at DAL for a few years how Boeing in nickel and dimeing DAL for every little thing. A definate change from the past. And it is not how DAL expects to be treated considering the scope of business it does with Boeing. An example would be a training instructor calling Seattle for a clarification on some BA manual. He talks to a BA engineer for a few minutes and gets his answer, but then DAL gets a $1000 bill for the call. That would never happen in the past.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:22 am

The rumors (or rumours for the British posters) have also included a hot rumour on DAL trading AB the 7-777's and 15-MD11s for 20+ 340-600's. It's another very viable rumour for these reasons:

-Pay rates. DAL could probably get a much lower pay rate on the Airbus than the 777/MD11 because a new payrate on the AB would undoubtedly go to arbitration under the new pilot contract. An arbitartor would be deciding the payrate under completely different economic conditions from the last DAL pilot contract.

-One big aircraft category is very economical compared to two small categories.

-EU politics

-DAL has already tried to sell the MD11's and would sell them tomorrow if able. And DAL tried to lease 2 777s to S. African.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:25 am

From what I've heard regarding the 737-800's teething problems, they were pretty bad the first couple of years Delta had the -800 but are now more or less taken care of. There were problems with the CFM56-7s, avionics systems, and IFE systems that did definitely require a lot of attention. As far as I know at this point, however, Delta is pleased with the -800 from a performance and range standpoint. It more than meets the company's needs, and one of the key criteria was hot and high performance in some key Latin American markets, and hot and high is where the Airbus falters and the 738 shines. The Airbus isn't even in the same league.

Within Delta, there has always been a faction that has tried to convince themselves and others that Delta made an enormous mistake by going all Boeing. As far as most rational people can see, however, the only Boeing that has been even close to disappointing has been the 767-400. The 737, 757, 767-2 and 3, and 777 are solid, market leading aircraft. Delta did the right thing in going with Boeing and has no reason to be even remotely disappointed, and Delta's on-the-record statements prove this.

Delta has made enormous progress toward moving to a nice, new, streamlined fleet with just two suppliers: Boeing and Bombardier. I simply can't see why Delta would take one step forward only to take two steps backward.
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:39 am

I think MD88 hit the nail on the head with the Airtran issue. That would piss me off too...

Jrlander..there was a blurb about it in AW&ST about 1998...also a legal journal was showing how they made the exlcusive contract void...while still being able to enforce some the principles of the agreement. It's quite interesting. Actually, the original contract, as with those of AA and CO were extremely well written.

I'm assuming DL got at least a 20% discount on their aircraft off list price. I just used $8.5M average per aircraft for 80 planes. It could be significantly higher...but this is all just speculation.

FlyPSN1...not true, there are stiff penalty clauses. And as I mentioned, I do not know the scope of the agreement..it may likely be a seat limit or it may be a gross weight limit--or simply a 'no compete' clause.

I know of only one counselor at DL...and he's pretty tight lipped about it.
 
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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:42 am

Guys!!!

Let's have a please take with Airbus A340-600 on Delta or keep it as for the aircraft by the B767-400, B777, B767-300/ER. And also, that need to be get rid of older B767-200 to be replace A330-200. I think. Please want to be good new airbus as for the near of future. This is really very important as for yourself as for all of the Delta, ok? Well, later!

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RE: Delta And Airbus?

Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:46 am

The rumors (or rumours for the British posters) have also included a hot rumour on DAL trading AB the 7-777's and 15-MD11s for 20+ 340-600's. It's another very viable rumour for these reasons:

-Pay rates. DAL could probably get a much lower pay rate on the Airbus than the 777/MD11 because a new payrate on the AB would undoubtedly go to arbitration under the new pilot contract. An arbitartor would be deciding the payrate under completely different economic conditions from the last DAL pilot contract.

-One big aircraft category is very economical compared to two small categories.

-EU politics

-DAL has already tried to sell the MD11's and would sell them tomorrow if able. And DAL tried to lease 2 777s to S. African.


The rumors just get better and better.....

Those A346s that they probably were thinking Airbus would try to unload have already been unloaded to South African and other carriers.

Why would Delta want to get rid of the single best longhaul aircraft they've ever had in their fleet. Everything that Delta has said about the B777 has been indicative of the usual total and complete satisfaction that B777 operators express with their airplane. The immense problems that have plagued the B777 program at Delta have been no doing of the airplane or of Boeing. You can thank ALPA and Delta management for being so stubborn. I blame both equally. They were both thinking in a very shortsighted manner and ALPA's stubborn refusal to fly the airplane after the 6 month mark, and Delta's pinheaded move to defer deliveries both cost Delta a great deal of strategic B777 delivery slots.

So where does that leave Delta now? Looking the MD-11 departures in 2004 right in the eye, with no B777 deliveries in the pipeline to replace them. A very knowledgable individual in Atlanta who I asked about this said simply that Delta and Boeing "are working on a way to fix this problem."

Again, it's been a difficult road, but Delta management has gone out of its way to stress how committed they are to the Triple Seven as Delta's flagship.

Finally, has anybody ever taken a moment to think about what Boeing might do to keep Delta as a customer? $1000 bills be damned, Delta is one of the most prestigious operators in the world, and it would be an enormous blow for Airbus to lure Boeing's #2 customer astray. I can't help but think that even if these wild rumors had any modicum of truth to them, Boeing would have something to say about them.
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