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NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:25 pm

From the Sept. 19 Rochester Democrat and Chronicle:

DETROIT RUN GETS UPGRADE

" Northwest airlines plans to switch a 34 seat turborop flight between Rochester and Detroit to a 50-sweat regional jet flight beginning Nov. 26. The upgrade will give Northwest a complete jet schedule here with five daily roundtrip flights between the Greater Rochester International Airport and Detroit."

I'm liking NW more and more.
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:32 pm

Great news. NW is probably my favorite airline to begin with, and with American pulling out leaving only American Eagle, and soon enough United will pull out, leaving only United Express, and of course, US' troubles, that leaves Northwest a perfect opportunity to increase presence at ROC. I can see them bringing in DC-9's or AC319/20's in the not to far off future.

And for the record, on my UA claim. I was again talking to a couple of rampers at KBUF, and they said United is pulling out of markets in waves. Buffalo was set to go in the second set of cutbacks (he had heard). That means that ROC can't be too far off. What surprised me, was that US is only leaving United Express at DTW.

 
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:34 pm

NW only just bucks the trend. I guess the addition of 14 seats to the market coupled with an all jet operation at ROC counts as an upgrade as opposed to some of the OAL's downgrades recently. Good news for ROC!
 
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:37 pm

In these times, especially at ROC, we'll take what we can get.
 
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:39 pm

So what equipment will NW use? THink it'll have a high wing and four dinky engines?
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:39 pm

Avro RJ85's . No more Masaba Saab 340's flying over my house  Sad We had a NW 757 taking the Cleaveland Browns to CLE last month. I hope UA doesn't pull out. The new schedule is all Boeing for mainlines. They must have better flights for the Airbi.
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:22 am

In response to KROC's comments about United pulling mainline service out of ROC and BUF......I don't doubt what he heard and it will probably come true. However, I think it would be smart for UA to keep the 737's and A319's on BUF-ORD and ROC-ORD. Now that AA is pulling out mainline jet service, the number of seats available is declining dramatically. In BUF, we now get 3 F100's and 2 MD-80's a day. This service will be replaced by 6 ERJ's which results in a net loss of 259 seats per day. I've flown to ORD twice this summer and all flights were 100% full. Likewise, I ask my co-workers who fly this route rotinely and they have also noted full planes. Since UA flies the same routes, I would think there will be increased demand in February when AA cuts back to AE.
 
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:26 am

Doesn't NW already have DC-9 service to ROC? When I was there a month ago, a saw a NW DC-9-30 parked at the jetway.

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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:29 am

Yes,but it's shared with NW Airlink (Mesaba) Avro's and Saab 340B's to Detroit. No MSP service from ROC.
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:31 am

I have seen NW DC-9's here at ROC on a few occasions. I would have to check NW's schedule here again.

BUFJet's makes a great point as well, about keeping mainline jets on routes to ORD. The last few times I have flown, I have been on AA and to and from ORD, the flights have been full. With the loss of seats, especially when they are full, it is opening the door for a carrier like NW to increase presence at both airports. I know at BUF, I always see DC-9's and the occasional Saab 340. One morning though, I was walking around the ramp, and was surprised to see a 727 sitting there.
 
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:42 am

Being a ROC native as well as a NWA fan,that's great news! More reason for me to give business to NWA like I have the last year and a half since they are in touch with what PAX want... as well as all their service to the great lakes region (particularly their treating ROC as a worthwile market,as opposed to a second class market)...they have a loyal customer in me!

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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Fri Sep 20, 2002 6:50 am

NW has already had mainline service in ROC for a while. They just vary their aircraft throughout the day to match the proper loads. For instance right now they have 3 DC-9's, a Saab, and an ARJ. They are just getting rid of that last Saab flight, and making it a CRJ. Therefore no more props on the DTW-ROC run.
 
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Fri Sep 20, 2002 7:57 am

Good news for ROC! I've been saying the same thing, that NW's market position in Western New York can only be strengthened by AA (and potential UA) downgrades in service. Remember too that NW has the beautiful new DTW WorldGateway, and DTW has a great runway layout, the ideal "II II" DFW/ ATL-style layout that moves a boatload of planes in all visibility conditions. ORD meanwhile has a snarled runway layout that is snarled in Chicago-area NIMBY politics.

AA and UA might invite more trouble for themselves with such precipitous declines in WNY seat capacity. As y'all note above, demand is not the problem. Fares are. Even businesses simply will not tolerate the rapine fares that prop up the Cartel's cost structures and made the late 1990's so profitable.

AA and UA are waving a red flag in Southwest's face. That new Midway airside building is almost done, and 1,000 of 3,000 new WN positions announced this spring are for MDW. BUF-MDW and ALB-MDW can't be far off. UNY still doesn't have much westbound low-fare-service, it's almost all southbound. Heck, such big AA and UA capacity cuts might even put ROC higher on WN's list for next year.

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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Fri Sep 20, 2002 4:26 pm

Could a MSP-ROC and/or ROC/MSP run be far off? Supposedly, an MSP-ALB run is starting up soon, so I could imagine MSP-ROC being up there too. Just waiting for more CRJ's to arrive to do the job  Smile
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Fri Sep 20, 2002 10:27 pm

Yes, MSP to ALB starts up son, I believe next month but could be wrong. I hadn't heard we ae ding DTW to ROC service though, then again they usually do tell us last.
 
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Sat Sep 21, 2002 3:43 am

I wouldn't be surprised to see ROC-MSP at some point, on CRJ's. There still isn't much westbound low-fare competition in ROC, and NW's CASM is a couple of cents lower than UA's and a cent lower than AA's.

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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Sat Sep 21, 2002 3:47 am

DL is upgrading 50 seat RJ's to 70 seat RJ's in both BUF and ALB, so all hope is not lost. Apparently DL see's some potential in Westbound traffic from Upstate NY.
 
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RE: NW Bucks A Trend In ROC (slightly)

Sat Sep 21, 2002 4:29 am

I know this is a bit off the main topic of this post, but I felt the need to vent a bit.... Ever try to buy a ticket from BUF or ROC to DTW on NW without a Saturday night stay? It's $729 if you want to fly out and back on the same day and it's $400+ if you include a one night stayover. It's only a 45 minute flight from BUF to DTW. At these fares, I end up having to drive the 5.5 hours instead of flying, which I hate doing. That's why I have trouble liking NW. They really screw the business traveler.

BTW- it's even more expensive for mid week flights to MSP.

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