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Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Sat Sep 21, 2002 1:41 am

As a result of the latest round of service cuts, I know more than a few US cities will be losing scheduled air transport.

Here at LAF, we are losing NW Airlink service effective Dec. 18. Which sucks because I had high employment prospects there.

Unfortunately, the airport is not under the EAS designation, probably because it is not terribly long from IND or ORD.

What other US cities are losing air service completely?
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Sat Sep 21, 2002 1:44 am

This is the unfortunate consequence of peoples drive for the lowfare carrier. The majors will only fly the routes that make a profit, therefore many cities get left behind.

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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Sat Sep 21, 2002 1:54 am

Argh! LAF is losing NW Airlink? When I was at Purdue I used to take UA's ORD flight all the time. Now that's gone and I guess NW too.  Sad
 
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Sun Sep 22, 2002 6:08 am

DIA77, are you a purdue graduate? If so, please e-mail me.
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Sun Sep 22, 2002 7:10 am

Nooo!! Darn it, I was supposed to fly in there this spring to visit some friends. That stinks, this means that LAF will have no air service whatsoever right? Man, Mesaba (NW Airlink) certainly has been cutting the cities lately. They've cut Escanaba, MI, St. Joseph/Benton Harbor, MI, and Youngstown, OH just within the past year.
 
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Serv

Sun Sep 22, 2002 7:56 am

As others have said, this is the future of air travel. Low fare carriers are going to bring an end to 'cost averaging' routes to keep an airline attractive to business travelers. Small cities and more remote areas will no longer have air travel without a drive of several hours.

That said, at least after your four hour drive, you'll have cheap airfares to get to an airport four hours from where you need to go...

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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Sun Sep 22, 2002 12:41 pm

Back to the world of local airlines if majors keep cutting back in these smaller towns. While we are at it...might as well just re-regulate everything and get it over with.
 
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:11 pm

I used to live in LAF in the early 70's...sorry to hear about you losing NW. We always used IND back then.It was just over an hour down old US 52 & I65(Now I65 all the way)...so It's not like you have to drive THAT long to have a whole lot of flight choices. yes this is the future of air travel...The consumer gets what he/she wants...low prices. (just like Wal-mart has killed the local owned Grocery/drug/hardware/gardenshop)

Just to reminisce...I remember a few TW & AA 707's at IND in those days, maybe even a Convair once in a while too. AA 727's to ORD, BAC1-11's on Allegheny....time marches on!
 
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Mon Sep 23, 2002 1:32 am

I used to live in LAF in the early 70's...sorry to hear about you losing NW. We always used IND back then.It was just over an hour down old US 52 & I65(Now I65 all the way)...so It's not like you have to drive THAT long to have a whole lot of flight choices.

This is the attitude that is killing local airports and economies today. People need to start using their local airports before service gets pulled out. Those in FNT seem to have it down and have no problem flying 56 miles to Detroit to connect on instead of driving down to get on Northwest. For those with an attitude exhibited above, i simply say that the blood is on your hands for causing your neighbors and community to the lose jobs and important benefits that come from having scheduled air service. If you dislike your community and neighbors that much -- move, they won't miss you.  Smile
 
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:14 am

Ouboy--You missed Tan's message. People want cheap flights. Small towns can't support cheap airlines or fares on the majors. NW wants $500k to keep the service in LAF. If the citizens of Lafayette want to pony up, great. If not, hit the road. Same thing for Bloomington and, eventually, Terre Haute and maybe Evansville.

People are complaining about DAY service. When I commuted on SWA from IND, I routinely ran into people who would normally fly out of DAY or CVG but were willing to drive the 1.5 hours to IND to save a couple hundred bucks. Eventually, DAY will be an all RJ city. They won't support mainline.

Airlines are not public transit. If they can't make a buck serving your city, they won't continue to do so.TC
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Serv

Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:24 am

Unfortunately Tan Flyr has a good point. There are few business fliers in West Lafayette besides the University, and they have their own king-air's and beechjet for the high-profile customers. There was only one choice recently for air cervice, and that was only two flights a day and everything went to Detroit. From Subaru, Caterpillar or even downtown, it takes about 20 minutes to get to Purdue airport. It only takes an hour tops to get to IND, and then you have SWA and ATA keeping prices rock-bottom. With Lafayette Limo, it really discourages students who can go to the union or Purdue West to connect to IND.
Charlottesville VA, is a university town that has a smaller population than LAF, yet they have an incredible amount of airline service. Mainly to do with the fact that it takes over 2 hours to get to the next airline serviced airport. I-65 killed Lafayette Airport. I would, however like to see an airline pick up weekend service for the student travel, however students are notoriously broke. Since Lafayette doesn't have service, that may mean the city would offer incentives to an airline, but still any airline going into LAF that also goes into IND, would mean hurting their IND market.
Besides, the aircraft are only getting bigger, I wouldn't expect to see a CRJ or ERJ in LAF any time soon.
 
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:51 am

I never realized how many people on this board lived in Lafayette at one point or another. I lived there for five years myself. Let's be honest here, Lafayette and West Lafayette as towns are not doing so well. The economic bust of the late 90's hurt them bad. It's an old manufacturing town with very unstable employement. Wabash National is about to go bust, Eli Lilly is getting ready to hit some hard times, Staley is having problems and the auto makers wouldn't be offering 0% interest if the cars were selling, so that hurts SIA. Lafayette Limo is a cheaper alternative to IND if you are a student without a car and if you have a car you can make it to IND in 50 mins. There is no point for LAF to have air service. The airport is there to serve Purdue and that's pretty much it.
 
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Mon Sep 23, 2002 5:08 am

I see what is being said...it just makes you ponder, is saving a hundred bucks worth helping support the economy of a city that could careless about your home town? However...things may finally be changing as airline costs are reduced through a correction, if you will, in labor and lease agreements. Hopefully this will trickle down to the re-establishment of air service to small communities.

People are complaining about DAY service. When I commuted on SWA from IND, I routinely ran into people who would normally fly out of DAY or CVG but were willing to drive the 1.5 hours to IND to save a couple hundred bucks. Eventually, DAY will be an all RJ city. They won't support mainline.

DAY does have AirTran and ATA, so the air fares aren't going to get much lower than Southwest. If they are complaining about their services...then they are problems the ones who fly once every year or so instead of taking greyhound. Your comment that DAY will eventually be an all RJ city kinda caused a chuckle. Perhaps you should tell Delta to pull their 757s and MD-80s out first and replace them with CRJs. They have been growing pretty steadily there and likely will continue.
 
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:24 am

As long as people are driving the hours to get to a cheaper fare, then they cannot complain when they find themselves without local service. Can't have it both ways

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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:48 am

Agreed, Jeremy. While there is a well-documented "Southwest Effect" on airfares in cities served by WN, an airline analyst has pointed out that it also brings a "Wal-Mart Effect" as well. Wal-Mart's ability to attract large numbers of people to their stores mean that shoppers avoid the smaller, more expensive specialty stores. Inevitably, some of them go out of business.

Southwest (and other discount carriers) have the same effect on small communities. While the majors, through their commuter services, are willing to fly to small towns like LAF, the discount carriers cannot provide the same service economically. They will stick with cities with large O&D numbers, and serve them with deeply discounted fares.

The local populace is now less willing to pay the higher fare on the majors out of small towns like LAF and take the hour or two drive to a nearby large city to save money. Eventually, the major realizes that they cannot sustain traffic to the small town, and they cease serving it entirely.

So once again, you're right. The same people who whine about the high fares to places like East Upchuck (and thus drive to a nearby city to fly a discount carrier) are also the ones who eventually cause service there to cease.
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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Mon Sep 23, 2002 7:59 am

ORH (Worcester, Mass) is almost down to no service. They used to have:

American Eagle-ERJ service to ORD, Saab 340 service to JFK
Delta Connection (ASA)-CRJ service to ATL
Pan Am III-727 service to SFB
Us Airways Express-Dash 8's to PHL

Delta just recently pulled the ATL service, American pulled out a couple of months ago, as did Pan Am, so now it is down to the 4 daily Dash 8's to PHL, but with Us Airways' financial woes, I don't know how much longer that will last.

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RE: Domestic USA: Cities Losing Scheduled Air Service

Mon Sep 23, 2002 10:42 am

Lafayette Limo sucks... I wish we had the Super Shuttle here... $42 roundtrip is too much for "traditionally broke" students. Plus the service is horrible ("even though I'm driving by your residence, I cannot drop you off there" - unless you pay a $5 tip).
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