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SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Mon Sep 23, 2002 4:41 pm

Thoght my fellow Aussie aviation enthusiasts will be interested to know this:

Was just reading the local Melbourne newspaper, The Age, and there was an ad in a corner introducing SQ's new lie-flat J-class seats, the Spacebeds. Apparently the new seats will be installed on 744's operating out of SYD and MEL from October 2002.


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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Mon Sep 23, 2002 5:18 pm

Just to add to that,

Melbourne's 744 service SQ227/228 will only get the spacebeds on Oct 27/28. I checked with my TA who pulled out the seat maps. The spacebed equipped 744's don't have a row 15 on the upper deck, nor is there a 25AC/HK on the lower deck. Oct 26's service outbound from SIN is the last of the 'old' ultimo seats apparently

SQ219/220 to/from Sydney when I last checked is still on the old layout through at least Nov 5/6. Haven't checked yet, but apparently SQ221/222 also to/from Sydney already have them today. I'm planning a trip to both Melbourne and Sydney around the late Oct/early Nov timeframe am pretty keen to try out the seats.
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Mon Sep 23, 2002 5:51 pm

The Spacebeds were featured on Singapore TV last Saturday. It wasn't one of those airline paid commercials, so we basically had a good look at what the Spacebed looked like under natural lighting (without the soft tone lighting effects that you would usually see on SQ's commercials).

They featured the 777ER cabin, and I must say that it looked really nice and cosy. The seat color wasn't as glaring as seen on their website. The seats had a lighter tone and definitely looked up to date and very modern. It matched the cabin decor very well too.

It looked very comfy to me....

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SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:12 pm

I should also add that the advertisement in the newspaper invited readers to log onto the following URL for more information:

www.spacebed.com.au

Just had a look at it and I must say that I'm quite impressed overall, except for the burwood trim around the PTV monitor.


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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Mon Sep 23, 2002 8:01 pm

Yup, they look very nice, Jubilee777 sent me some photos some weeks ago...Thanks!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Mon Sep 23, 2002 8:29 pm

The reason for putting the spacebed aircrafts on the SIN - SYD and SIN - MEL route is because the 3 daily SIN - LHR flights are all operated by the "Spacedbed" equipped B744s, and the SIN - LHR B744s do fly on SIN - SYD occasionally. Anyways great news indeed.

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Mon Sep 23, 2002 8:35 pm

just waiting for the day when flat beds are installed in economy  Nuts

anybody know when Zurich is getting spacebeds?
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Mon Sep 23, 2002 8:38 pm

Since the SYD / MEL-SIN-LHR route is pretty "hot", it is only the natural progression for the space bed to be introduced to those Aussie cities as well.
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Mon Sep 23, 2002 10:12 pm

9V-SVE,

Glad you enjoyed the photos.

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 12:04 am

This is very good news for Melbourne and Sydney that they are receiving a top of the range Raffles/Business class product.

Probably not, but does anyone know the registrations of the planes that already have the SpaceBed?

E.g.: 9V-SPP, 9V-SMR?, 9V-SVH, 9V-SVF?
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:07 am

I'll be flying Raffles Class from MEL-SIN on 2 January 2003, so stay tuned for a trip report and some photos! But in the meantime, I'm sure Craig Murray will be posting some pics as soon as the aircraft arrives in SYD.


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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 10:53 am

Does this mean that the LAX-NRT-SIN route will be using Spacebed-equipped 744s before Oct. 27/28, as this is supposed to be the second 744 route receiving the spacebeds? Also, does anyone know where the SIN-TPE-LAX route ranks on the spacebed priority list?
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 11:03 am

Is anybody interested in 9V-SVG then? Thats the first 777 in the world that comes with a SMS/Email service on board!!!
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 11:45 am

Commencing this Oct, Spacebeds will also be featured on SQ36/35 SIN-AMS-ORD vv flights.
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 4:14 pm

How about AKL?

Does 9V-SPQ have spacebeds? It was in AKL a while back!
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 4:18 pm

Tsentsan: I don't really think so as this SMS service will cost money. Although the screenshot does look nice. If it was free... Big grin



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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 4:35 pm

The B777 will shortly be taking over some or all of the B744 flights to Melbourne. I do not know if these will be B777-300s without spacebeds or the ERs equipped with spacebeds. I also do not know if this change of aircraft is temporary or permanent. All I can say is that quite a few of us are already rostered for these previous B744 flights including myself.

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 4:39 pm

The 777-300's currently operate 1 daily flight to both MEL and SYD the others are 744's!!
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 4:53 pm

Hi Ejazz,

I understand Melbourne sees 2 daily flights with the morning one being a B773 and the night one being a B744. Will the night one be changed to a B777 too?
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:09 pm

I will be operating the night flight from Singapore to Melbourne and the daylight return flight with a B777. As I said I don't know if this is permanent or temporary or exactly which version of the B777 I will be operating. It is usually the B777-300 which is needed for its cargo capacity. None of the B777-300s are equipped with spacebeds.

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:16 pm

ZK-NBT

That is indeed currently the case but the B777 will be taking over some or all of the MEL B744 flights for a period a time that I am unaware of as yet.
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:41 pm

Looks like there will be more flights without First Class as the 777ER takes over some of the major routes in SQ's network previously served by the 744s. Will SQ eventually go 2 class?

Ejazz, you mean 773 tech crew are able to fly the 772/772ER as well? Same type? No difference whatsoever?

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 6:07 pm

The initial type rating is on the B772, all SQ B772s are ER with just different weights and configurations to remember. You do need to be trained and checked on the B773 mainly for taxiing purposes.

Well JNB and CPT will be taken over by the B772ER from 1 Dec with the JNB-DUR following in Jan. Also commencing 27 Oct BNE will be twice daily whilst Athens will be reduced from 3 x weekly to 2.
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 6:31 pm

Hmm, for the new Northern Winter timetable, isn't it, Ejazz? How about the other routes served by the 777ERs to Europe, like Rome and Amsterdam?

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:03 pm

Hi Ejazz,

Pardon me for going off topic a bit. B772 "ER", does the ER mean only range? If I'm not wrong all SQ B772s be it the SQ, SR or SV have the center fuel tanks to fly longhaul it's just the different engines and MTOW. Like the SQ/SR are powered by 884, does it still belong to the "ER group"? Or are we right to say any B777s have fuel tanks in the center with different MTOW and engines are still considered ERs?

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Wed Sep 25, 2002 12:10 am

"Commencing this Oct, Spacebeds will also be featured on SQ36/35 SIN-AMS-ORD vv flights."

Damn...I wish I hadn't used up all my miles so I could upgrade in Dec/Jan  Sad
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Wed Sep 25, 2002 5:23 am

Ejazz,
Nice to see you back on this forum.
It would be interesting to know which destinations will get the 772ER after South Africa. SQ still has quite a few unprofitable European 744 routes which can be served more efficiently with the 772.
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Wed Sep 25, 2002 1:26 pm

I suppose when you refer to those "unprofitable destinations", Ex SQer, Madrid comes to mind?
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Wed Sep 25, 2002 2:28 pm

one question:
are those spacebed equiped with the 747 only? coz as I know, SQ is changing the 747 to 777 for the MEL route (I know nothing about SYD). 1 747 and 1 777 (daily) for MEL at the moment.

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Wed Sep 25, 2002 2:51 pm

Sydney recieves B773 on one of the daily flights while the other 2 are still operated by B744s, and this scheldue has been used for quite sometime except that on certain times the B744s replace the B773s (Especially during holidays in Australia).

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Wed Sep 25, 2002 6:47 pm

Docpepz... Madrid, among others....
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Wed Sep 25, 2002 7:08 pm

Ex_SQer...elaborate please..........

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Wed Sep 25, 2002 11:31 pm

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Thu Sep 26, 2002 12:49 am

B772ER
If you look at the SQ timetable, you'll see 3 different seating plans for their 772:

Boeing 777-200: P12 J42 Y234
Boeing 777-200: J30 Y293
Boeing 777-200ER: J30 Y255

So it looks to me that when SQ talks of the B772ER, then it refers to the J30 Y255 (better raffles class) seating model rather than the technical aspects that make a 772 an -ER.
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:49 am

Docpepz/SQ772:

Apart from MAD, BRU and MAN can be served more efficiently with a two-class 772ER. There may be scheduling and commercial constraints imposed by the MAN-BOM link, however.

IMO ZRH, CDG and the daylight FRA (SQ326/325) could be more optimally served with a smaller twinjet. Apparently SQ is evaluating the 773ER, but the GE engines are an issue. I guess the 772ER might work, but these cities do generate First Class traffic, so a two-class 772 may not be optimal either.
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Thu Sep 26, 2002 9:31 am

They could possibly convert one of their 3-class 777-200s to an ER so that it can serve on SQ326/325.
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:40 pm

You can't "convert" a non-ER aircraft (and by this I mean the 9VSQ_ series) into an "ER" aircraft. Well, technically you can but the cost will be prohibitive.
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Thu Sep 26, 2002 9:03 pm

Hey Ex_SQer,

But I thought someone mentioned that all of SQ's B777-200s are technically ER but they are artificially derated? Doesn't that mean that the engines can just be switched to produce a maximum of 92,000 lbs instead?
 
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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Fri Sep 27, 2002 4:37 am

Singapore 777 -

I'm no techie, but based on what I know... the different 772s have different weights and configurations (fuel tanks, etc), among other things. (Ejazz - can you confirm/clarify?). I don't think it is a simple case of switching engines - a few other things will also have to be tweaked. Also, AFAIK the FAA (whose directives the CAAS follows) requires different certifications for different configs, so this new engine+config combination will need new certification.

You may get a better answer in the tech forum.

In any case, this discussion is moot anyway. I don't think the three-class SQ_ series aircraft have crew rest facilities, and they aren't fitted with SkySuites/SpaceBeds either.

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RE: SQ Spacebeds To MEL/SYD From October

Fri Sep 27, 2002 4:11 pm

Like I said, only the SVx series aircraft have crew rest facilities. Without crew rest facilities, the SQx and SRx aircraft can only fly up to 10 hours max.

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