pa121
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AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:00 am

I have noticed AZ only fly to London Heathrow. They do not serve any other UK city, unlike most of other EU carriers.
I was wondering if you knew why and if it has always been the case. UK and Italy are the 4th and 6th world economies so you would expect somewhat more activity from AZ. Also BA fly to at least 7 different Italian cities, and AZ fly to many multiple destinations in EU Countries (even 2 in Portugal which is somewhat smaller than UK...)
Thanks for your help
 
Guest

RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:09 am

Good question.

My guess would be that the majority of the traffic is TO Italy, for obvious reasons. Most traffic FROM Italy is probably most likely to go to London; other cities are served by British carriers.

On the other hand, AZ offer flights to a variety of Italian cities FROM London...Rome, Milan, Venice etc.

That's my guess, anyway.

Even though they are not in the same league, don't forget that Go and Ryanair cover many Italian cities too, this might have an affect.
 
LGW
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RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:20 am

Funny you should mention this. I was only thinking recently that I had not seen AZ at LGW recently.

They used to fly to LGW...when did they stop?

LGW
 
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RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:20 am

Aside from LHR, AZ also serve LGW, although not a another city, a different airport nonetheless.


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pa121
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RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:28 am

I am not so sure they still serve LGW, they definitely left City Airport....but still London it is.
It is the absence from Birmingham and Manchester that surprises me mainly, there should well be some traffic in there...BA fly several ones, plus the new BMI East Midland to Milan (BGY), the flights from Liverpool and even from Cardiff if I remember correctly.
 
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RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:29 am

AZ have stopped LGW looking at the pictures.

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Guest

RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:36 am

Well, I think Volare still ply the route to VCE with an A320, on behalf of Alitalia. So, depending on your opinion, you might say AZ still served LGW.

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n175dz
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RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:46 am

AZ have served Manchester over the years, on and off. Their first scheduled flight was 7th April 1948!, but I'm not sure when they stopped.

cheers, Phil.
 
greenjet
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RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 6:45 am

In addition to the Volare flight to Venice, Alitalia operate a once-daily MD-80 service of their own to Rome from Gatwick.
 
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RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:01 am

Phil

The 1948 flights lasted for just 4 weeks - apparently plenty enough time for them to work out that it's wasn't profitable! I think the next attempt was from 1968 to 1972, posssibly 2 weekly FCO-LIN-MAN-DUB using Se210s. I remember having timetables from the late 70s/early 80s which had BA/AZ 912/3 to LIN listed; the servuce actually routed GLA-MAN-LIN-MAN-GLA

Then the last lot was from 1987/8 to 1991, when it was initially 5 weekly nightstopping LIN-MAN, then 5 weekly LIN-MAN mid-morning from 1990 and from winter 1990, a LIN-MAN-DUB service, with MD82s (they used about 3 different aircraft - possibly ATI ones?) in summer 1991, otherwise it was DC9-30s all the way apart from the day when Air Koryo Il62 came in (12/7/91?) when AZ used an A300 - both visitors bringing athletes to the World Student Games in Sheffield.

KLMuk also operated an AZ codeshared service MXP-MAN around from 1996 for about 7 or 8 months which operated on a 13 weekly basis using Fk100s until this was withdrawn.

Note - that's going from memory, reference books not to hand!

David

 
n175dz
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RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:10 am

David,

From what i could find - the last start was June '88 (from R.A.Scholefield's book), but I couldn't find any mention of them stopping. I have to hand it to you though, your memory is damned impressive  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.

cheers, Phil.
 
airblue
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RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 4:42 pm

Before Ryanair and GO started to serve many Italian cities from STN, AZ used to fly FCO/MXP/LIN-LHR; LIN-LCY; FCO/PSA/CTA/BLQ/VCE/TRN-LGW, but after that low-cost entered the market and their financial trouble, they keep only FCO/MXP/LIN-LHR and FCO/VCE-LGW.
 
Leej
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RE: AZ In The UK

Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:11 pm

Saw an AZ MD80 on final approach to Gatwick yesterday afternoon - so they are definately there!
 
The Rock
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RE: AZ In The UK

Wed Sep 25, 2002 8:11 am

PA121

I thought that the UK was lower on the list of Economic powers.
US
Japan
Germany
China
France
not necessarily in that order
and then UK & Italy.

 
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RE: AZ In The UK

Wed Sep 25, 2002 8:26 am

The top 5 economic powers are:

US
UK
Japan
Germany
France

All are G8 members. Italy is in the top 10, but China is nowhere near this list. Anyway i'm going off-topic now.

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Lan_Fanatic
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RE: AZ In The UK

Wed Sep 25, 2002 10:55 am

As far as I know...the world powers are : (in a G7 order, because I am ot including Russia cause they've got nothing to do there)

1.- USA
2.- Japan
3.-Germany
4.-France
5.-UK
6.-Italy
7.-Canada

So, France is over the UK

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pa121
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RE: AZ In The UK

Thu Sep 26, 2002 7:33 am

Totally off topic, but the G7 Countries are:

1 US
2 Japan
3 Germany
4 UK
5 France
6 Italy
7 Canada

The UK ranking is a it tricky as it depends on the exchange rate of the Pound. There was a period in the 80s when the UK GNP was actually lower than the Italian, so they were 6th. Two years ago the strong Pound made the UK surge over France but difference in minimal (and things could have already changed).
GNP per capita is a different story (there are countries with a higher one than the US) and maybe more interesting for Airlines.

Yet possibly too a complicated topic for Alitalia management  Smile (just kidding, I love them!)
 
Guest

RE: AZ In The UK

Thu Sep 26, 2002 7:35 am

And if we rank the above in terms of where I'd most like to live.....

1/Italy  Big grin
 
The Rock
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RE: AZ In The UK

Sat Sep 28, 2002 10:21 pm

Capt. Picard

Thanx for setting the record straight.

I agree.

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