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Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:16 am


Is HF still flying to Mombasa,and the West Indies ?

What are the other destinations to which it use its A310s ?

Thank you !!!
 
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:41 am

Look at the website from Hapag Lloyd ( www.hlf.de ) or ( www.hapag-lloyd.com )

Maybe you will find more infos there.
 
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:51 am

HF quit all long haul flights, their last oversea destinations were PUJ and POP but now is the 310 in use on popular routes within Europe (e.g. PMI or AYT).

Patrick

By the way: My first flight ever was on a HF 310, I have flown with my parents from DUS to MAH back in 1983. Wow, now I recognize that my first flight is almost 20 years ago.
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 6:02 am

As much as I know the HLF A310 fleet is down to only 4 frames. As said before the A310 jumps in for routes that need the capacity.

Does HLF want to replace the A310's with further 738's?

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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 5:12 pm

The A310-300s have gone (e.g., to ASA and Air Plus Comet) but they still operate the A310-200s on mid-hauls around the mediterranean. There has been some rumour going around that Boeing is targeting Hapag-Lloyd (and the other TUI airlineS) as launch customers for the B737-900X - but the B737-900X would only have 20 or so more seats than the -800s and would not be ideal replacement for an A310-200. We shall see.
 
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 5:15 pm

Just a question about German long-haul market:

Since German tourists are well known to travel a lot all around the world, in the winter I suppose they fly to exotic destinations like Caribbean, Thailand, Kenya and so on.
If Hapag-lloyd and others charters like Air Berlin and Aerolloyd don't have a long haul fleet, who controls the long-haul charter market??
Only Condor and LTU??

 
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 5:27 pm

After Britannia shut down its unsuccessful German long-haul branch operating two B767-300ER, the German holiday market (it is technically not a charter market, because the flights are scheduled ones and it is possible to individually book seats on them), has concentrated on LTU and Thomas Cook Airlines (unfortunately no barfing Smiley in the library, so just imagine one here instead) to provide long-haul capacity.

On some markets, there may be airlines from the destination countries also providing some capacity, e.g. Air Transat to Canada, but since the German public seems to to be reluctant to fly "unknown foreign" airlines, the market appeal of those competitors seems to be fairly limited.

Some tour operators also offer flights on "regular" airlines as part of an IT package. I remember that some use(d) Air France for flights to the popular Domincan Republic destination SDQ (connecting in CDG, so don't get exited about nonstop AF longhauls from Germany).
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 5:38 pm

I was really surprise by German "leisure" long-haul market.

Here in Italy we have Volare, Air Europe, Eurofly, LaudaAir and Blue Panorama that with A332, B763 and B772 flying charters from MXP to all the world famous leisure destinations.

 
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 6:29 pm


Sabena332,
Hapag-Lloyd took delivery of its first A310,D-AHLW,in 1988,and i guess your flight in 1983 was in one of its A300s.
 
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 6:50 pm

TS-IOR,

I am sure that it was an A 310 but I will ask my parents.

Patrick
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 9:49 pm

@patrick: The very first Airbus A310-200 were delivered in spring 1983 (to LH and SR), so I doubt that you were on a HF Airbus A310-200 in summer 1983.
 
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Thu Sep 26, 2002 11:33 pm

It was an A 310, I just saw it on two pictures that my parents have taken at MAH shortly after we arrived there.

Patrick
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Fri Sep 27, 2002 12:00 am

Delivery dates of Hapag Lloyd A310s:
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D-AHLV - FEB 1988
D-AHLZ - MAR 1988
D-AHLW - APR 1988
D-AHLX - DEC 1988
D-AHLA - OCT 1989
D-AHLB - JAN 1990
D-AHLC - JAN 1992

Hapag Lloyd didn't take delivery of their first A310 until 1st February 1988 - they did have A300s in their fleet in 1983 though  Smile

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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Fri Sep 27, 2002 12:30 am

Well, I assume that you flew with Hapag-Lloyd in 1983 for your summer holidays. In August 1983, 12 Airbus A310 had been delivered by Airbus to three airlines, Lufthansa (6), Swissair (3) and KLM (3). Another three were used as prototypes at that time (they later went to LH, SR and AF). This is the breakdown with d/ds:

D-AICB 09.03.1983
HB-IPA 25.03.1983
D-AICC 27.03.1983
D-AICD 27.03.1983
D-AICF 31.03.1983
PH-AGA 26.04.1983
PH-AGC 27.05.1983
HB-IPB 30.05.1983
D-AICH 01.06.1983
PH-AGB 17.06.1983
HB-IPC 28.06.1983
D-AICK 07.07.1983

The next new operator to take delivery of the A310 was Kuwait Airways, which accepted their first A310 in September. So whatever you were in, it was either not Hapag-Lloyd or an Airbus A310.....
 
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Fri Sep 27, 2002 12:35 am

Guys, believe me, it is definitively an A 310. I saw it on the pictures (too bad that the reg. is not visible) and I know the difference between an A 300 and an A 310. Maybe HF has leased some A 310 in 1983?

Patrick
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RE: Hapag-Lloyd Long-haul Flights...

Fri Sep 27, 2002 6:27 am

Just checked a couple of prod lists - HF did not lease any of the 12 existing A310-200 in 1983. First A310 in service with Hapag was D-AHLW, del. 4.1.88. Maybe it was in the summer of 1988.....  Wink/being sarcastic