I Have A Crazy, Insane Idea!

Sat Oct 23, 1999 7:18 am

Hi, OK, in my TPA post someone mentioned having a spin-off airline called TP Elite.
Well, that's exactly what I have made.
This is an insane idea for the following reasons:
First, NNA, which means No New Aircraft.
Yes, you heard me right, TPE will only operate old, out-of-production aircraft. Starting with the 707 and DC-8, and ending with the 732 and DC-10.
I think we should keep the old birds flying. Save them from the desert, fit them with glass cockpits, and refurbish them to almost-new standard.
I know, it's not very wise to operate ancient aircraft, but as long as you keep them well maintained, they'll last a VERY long time.  
TPE is an expensive venture, though. Think, not only are we buying rare aircraft, as well as Caravelles and CV880s, but we would have to hush-kit them, fit them with glass cockpits, and refurbish them. Then, to make it elite, fewer seats than even TPA would have!!! Meaning, so few seats, but so much comfort, they'd almost be biz-aircraft! We're talking an airline that would take a decade to earn enough profit to buy a new aircraft NORMALLY. Now, if it'd get popular enough, maybe we'd get considerable renevue going, but TPe will cost more. So I doubt such an airline would have such a good chance of surviving. Right now, TPE is nothing but a thought and a few FS aircraft, but if TPA is successful, MAYBE we could afford TPE, but still, it is unlikely.  

Crazy or what?    
Latest news for TPA:
I have made a few seating charts, courtesy the images from the A/C and specs section. (Thanks Johan!   )
A few revenue problems:
All seats will be as wide as first-class seats, and just as comfortable. All space around each seat will be extended by 3 inches, which would make for alot of added comfort. BUT, here's the problem:
I need to make sure that my seating arrangement and removal of seats will no be so extreme as to cut our revenues. So, here's an example:
The 744 usually holds what, about 400 pax? Well, the TPA 744 would hold 276.
Problem, that's almost HALF the normal pax. But, comfort is tremendous.

$100.00 for int'l Trans=Pac flights
$75.00 flights to Hawaii from N/A
$65.00 flights in domestic network

Help please! I need an expert's advise on ho to make the seat layout, and what costs we should have and what will attract customers.

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You've Blown A Fuse, Kid

Sat Oct 23, 1999 7:35 am

Hehehe. I like your idea about classic airliners, but to hell with fitting them with glass cockpits and hush-kitting. Keep them in original condition, don't bastardize them. And you wouldn't want to use them for regular revenue flights. Take, for example, SAC's Lockheed Constellation. That aircraft is in superb condition, painstakingly restored to its former TWA glory, complete with TWA 1950s livery. You wouldn't want to ruin it by fitting it with PWC turboprops, would you??! It would be an exquisite flying experience for an airliner enthusiast to step aboard, say, an American Airlines Boeing 707-320 Astrojet or TWA Convair CV880M and be transported back to the era when jet travel was new and for the elite. I did this once, aboard a Ford Trimotor. The experience was unforgettable! _____________________________________ As far as TPA...keep your feet on the ground. It's become so whimsical and unrealistic, I've lost interest. Sorry.  


Sat Oct 23, 1999 7:51 am

I've got one word for you,

The craziest airline. By far, TPA has past that!
There's no need for you to lose interest! LOL. Remember, this is only the beginning! Of course it's a little ridiculous, isn't everything?
That's when wonderful things begin to happen, you get ideas for something new! You can still help us buy the Russian planes.
Belive me, if you see me talking to thish other aviation enthusiast at school, you'd think otherwise about this being unrealistic.
I tell you, I've done more thinking about TPA lately than I have been posting, because this is not a private forum, and not to offend anyone, but I don't want anyone stealing my ideas for THEIR airlines. So, e-mail me. Let's talk, away from here.
Or, Instant Message me. You know my e-mail, look me up! My IM name is TPAirlines.
I guarantee that you'll love my recent developments.  
AND, I have NOT blown a fuse, I'm just acting starnge 'cause I just finished a liter of Dr. Pepper in 10 minutesd flat!
Give me an hour, I'll be down to earth again!  

The good thing right now is, I'm in a "talking" mood. Reply ASAP!!

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RE: I Have A Crazy, Insane Idea!

Sun Oct 24, 1999 1:52 am

Yeah, Brandon...but Southwest started out a LITTLE smaller.   I still admire your spirit of adventure in wanting to do all this. If you're committed to it, then you'll be unreasonable and do whatever it takes. And I encourage you to seek input from people who are already in the airline business, or have some sort of experience with it. I've heard a thing - that if you want to know what it takes to succeed, ask people who have failed at whatever you are trying to do. Take what they have to offer, and learn from their mistakes. You'll make your own, for sure, but not the same ones.

Good luck, buddy. Keep me posted on your progress!


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