mrlineguy
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TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 2:33 am

Courtesy of Air Transport World:
September 25th, 2002

Responding to complaints from airlines, airports and travelers, the US Transportation Security Administration yesterday took the first step toward eliminating random gate screening of passengers who already have cleared security checkpoints.

Acting TSA head James Loy said pilot programs are being launched at Los Angeles International Airport in cooperation with American Airlines and at Long Beach Municipal Airport in cooperation with JetBlue Airways that dispense with the intrusive personal searches. As part of the tests, TSA will conduct all passenger identification and enhanced security screening procedures at the primary security checkpoint, which will require all customers to obtain boarding passes before going to the checkpoint.
Speaking at the Aero Club of Washington yesterday, Loy said reducing the "hassle factor" for passengers is one of his primary goals. "Every unnecessary step eliminated from the security process tends to lower the hassle factor," he said.

In addition, Loy said he hopes a pilot program involving universal Transportation Worker Identification Cards will start "immediately" in Philadelphia and Los Angeles and eventually could "blossom" into a trusted traveler program, or registered traveler program as he called it.

He also said TSA has "serious concerns" about permitting pilots to carry firearms into the cockpit as mandated in legislation passed by Congress. He would like a "walk before you run" attitude to be taken with this program and said the value of the impenetrable cockpit door should not be underestimated.
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I knew TSA has mentioned eliminating gate checks, but I did not realize that they had actually started to do it. I apologize if this has been discussed to death, but it seems that gate searches will eventually fade away. Working as a CSA, these gate checks were nothing but a hassle and not one passenger I screened enjoyed it.

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haveric
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 2:43 am

The airport security system in America has changed sooo many times in the last year, that I can't imagine that any two airports / terminals do it exactly the same.

more than anything, i think we need standardization that will reduce loopholes and variations. enough "test" programs!
 
contrails
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 2:54 am

I am glad to see this beginning to happen, and I'll be even happier when it's eliminated nation-wide.

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scottysair
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 4:10 am

Now, It's is TIME to letting bring with the visitors are back into the concourse again as for possible!!! Stop wasting of the times at the security checkpoint about with an the Ticketed Passengers only is out! Kill it! And let people will be very happy to be back into the concourse again as for NOW! I hate it with the ticketed passengers sign is out and you can do removed it with the sign of the front at checkpoint. Take it away with th sign and thrown it away by someplace to do and you're are free to go into the concourse again as for now! YAY!!!!!!!
 
jhooper
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 4:18 am

Gate searches shouldn't be necessary. Do it right the first time, and you don't have to worry about it.
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
 
mrlineguy
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 4:58 am

Jhooper,

Gate searches shouldn't be necessary. Do it right the first time, and you don't have to worry about it.

Couldn't have said it better myself!!

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haveric
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 5:57 am

Scotty -- the lines are bad enough with only ticketed passengers allowed in terminals. Imagine what they would be if non-travellers were allowed!
 
contrails
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 7:23 am

I'd like to see visitors allowed back in the terminals again, but Haveric raises a valid point. The lines at most airports are too long as it is.




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scottysair
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 7:38 am

But, you can go inside of the terminal is ok! Not at the gate area, alright? This is really very important as for yourself, ok? I'm confused that might will be everything is good as for much now. Well, later!!!
 
flashmeister
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:09 am

This is a terrible idea. The best type of security solution to at least try to prevent another attack is a layered approach with different people looking multiple times, an element of randomness or surprise, and limited access to airside areas.

Have we not learned? This is pure lunacy. Wake up, folks, and realize that this 'inconvenience' of checks at the gate are for YOUR SAFETY, not to give some security nut his jollies.
 
lasbagman
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 11:12 am

We do not need visitors back at the Gate Areas. All they do is create more lines and the lines are long enough now.

1. Visitors used to go in and out numerous times from the gate areas. They used to get ticked off each time they set off the walk thru metal detector and would get ticked if you had to clear someone who ACTUALLY WAS FLYING.

2. The visitors can wait at the Baggage Claim or in FRONT of security,
 
scottysair
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 11:31 am

Doesn't matter it with the airport about something with the security. Please forget it as for 9/11. Now, you can do as for yourself go back into the concourse again as for possible by the early 2003. And I'm will taking with the number 1 as for visitors are in and out of the concourse again. And I said Yes you can to go through again as for now! It's TIME to letting have a bring with the visitors are back! YES! You're must be very happy to back into the gate areas again to watch with the airplanes. Well, goodnight!!!
 
MxCtrlr
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 11:41 am

While I agree with Flashmeister that this was being done for public safety, the reality of the situation was that is was a farce. I have seen (and heard) cases where random checks were being done on 2 year old babies' shoes, while certain racial groups (not being prejudiced but just being "real" here) were not being randomly checked. Also, my wife fly on DL to DFW and was literally "random searched" five times before she could get out the room she was in, even though she had just successfully undergone a "random search" by another guard in that same room! This is not "layered security" it is insanity. I agree with Loy that this needs to stop and sanity and sensibility need to regain some footing with the security aspect.

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jhooper
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 11:47 am

This is a terrible idea. The best type of security solution to at least try to prevent another attack is a layered approach with different people looking multiple times, an element of randomness or surprise, and limited access to airside areas.

Flashmeister,

If I read the article correctly, TSA isn't eliminating the random bag searches, they will just be doing them at the security checkpoint rather than at the gate so as to not impede the boarding process. Is there something wrong with moving the location of the searches?
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jjbiv
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 12:32 pm

Yes, as a matter of fact, there is...moving the location to a point just prior to boarding the aircraft filters out the possibility of picking up an item inside the sterile area (we all know they're not really that sterile) and traveling outbound with it. I can't even count how many items I've found while searching customers at the gate.

Look, I hate performing security searches, but the idea is sound. Random + multiple layers = closer to perfect security. Screeners should have individual discretion on who to pick, however. Picking the first person "randomly" is ridiculous.

Additionally, searching belongings gives us (the airline) another chance to intercept undeclared dangerous goods that otherwise would travel. If any contents are fragile, it also gives us the opportunity to get a limited release on the baggage.

There are a whole host of good reasons to search customers and their bags, both checked, and randomly at the gate.

joe
 
BWIrwy4
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 12:54 pm

Finally. A shred of common sense makes it into airport security. The gate searches are about as stupid an idea I've seen as closing half of the parking spaces at the airport.
 
notdownnlocked
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 1:42 pm

Hey don't worry everybody. A good amount of the people you see getting searched at the gates are in fact airline employees. It's just window dressing and it's all good as far as the flying public is concerned. We tend not to have our flights booked far in advance as well as not having a definite return flight along with return boarding passes so the "random" computer selects us every time for each and every leg of the trip. It happens to me all the time. What is mostly aggrivating is being on a full MD-11 flight from ATL-DFW in a bulkhead seat and no overhead bin and out of a full flight there are 15-20 passengers that need to be searched and only a single screener at the gate doing the screening and taking her own sweet time. Needless to say that by the time she is done I have to wear my baggage on my head as every other place is packed by the time I make it on.  Sad
 
Fly_ATA
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 2:13 pm

I hope they NEVER let passengers back to the gates , say your goodbyes at the terminal. It would only add more time to the proscess.
 
AS_GSC
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Fri Sep 27, 2002 11:49 pm

The TSA likes the additional security layer which gate screening provides, but they hate the passenger perception of secondary gate screening.

I have heard passengers say something to the effect of.....

"Why am I being searched at the gate when there's already a checkpoint?! Don't you/they know how to do the job right the first time?"

There is the "hassle factor" which accompanies gate screening, but like it or not gate screening does provide a final layer of security. The TSA is attempting to shed this perception, but I wouldn't look for anything until next year at the earliest.

All the best!

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UAL-Fan
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RE: TSA Drops Gate Screening At LAX/LGB

Sat Sep 28, 2002 6:04 am

There have been way to many examples of people getting something that is not allowed through the first check only to be caught on the second.

Like I said in previous posts. There will need to be two more 9/11's (maybe more) before this security issue is finally given the attention it deserves.

Americans just love to forget and move on. They hate even the slightest inconvenience even for the sake of safety.

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