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Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:17 am

I guess that prize would go to BSB (Brasilia, Brazil), unless:

a) you know there is an international services from BSB (if so, please, let me know airline, destination, frequency and a/c)

b) there are larger capitals with international service (I think BSB is over 1,5 million people).

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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:21 am

I'm sure Brasilia has at least a couple of regional int'l flights, ie Argentina, Venezuala etc. The obvious one is Canberra, Australia. What about Holland's capital, The Hague. Does it even have a heliport?

Anyway, I have the winning answer. The biggest capital city in the world without any int'l services at all is, of course, Baghdad.
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:26 am

Correct me if im wrong, but The Hague is not the capital of holland, it is an independent country? It would have to therefore qualify, asit has no airports at all!
 
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:26 am

The population of Baghdad is definitely over 1.5m (Brasilia). For bonus credit, I can name another capital with a population higher than Brasilia (or comparable) with no int'l air service: Gaza City (or East Jerusalem, which doesn't have an airport - even though the aspirational capital of Palestine is of course E Jersalem, Gaza is the actual administrative capital and has, or more accurately, had, an international airport). So my answer is Canberra, The Hague, Baghdad and Gaza. Add to that list a number of African countries, whose int'l services can come and go, ie N'djamena (Chad), Kigalia (Rwanda), Mogadishu (Somalia) and a few others.
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:40 am

If you want to get technical Washigton DC has no air service, Reagan National and Dulles airport are both in Virginia.
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:42 am

STT757: True they are in Virginia, but it serves DC. MSP is really in Bloomington and Richfield, MN.

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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:45 am

Okay, getting more technical...

How about San Marino and Vatican City and Monaco (although Monaco does have a heliport)
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:47 am

Canenberra, though not large, has no international service.
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 10:08 am

TAM had daily A320 service between Miami and Brasillia. It was launched in June 2001, but sadly was canned after September. It made a stop in Manaus. I would not be surprised to see the flight return within a year or so.
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Fri Sep 27, 2002 10:29 am

Does ESB (Ankara Esenboga Apt.) have any international service? If not, that's a city of about 4-4.5 million...

They used to have SR to ZRH but I doubt LX has kept it. Maybe Lufthansa? Not sure. I'm pretty sure THY sends everybody through IST...
 
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 10:31 am

"Correct me if im wrong, but The Hague is not the capital of holland, it is an independent country?"

The Hague is no country dude.

Amsterdam is the official capital while The Hague is the administrative capital.
 
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 10:37 am

How about Thimphu, Bhutan...while not a sizeable city (only 70,000 or so), it lacks any international services...Bhutan's only international airport is at Paro, Bhutan, which is about 2 hours away from Thimphu...Im not even sure if Thimphu has an airport????

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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 10:39 am

How about Canberra, Australia? Or Wellington, New Zealand?
 
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 12:07 pm

WOW!!!
So many interesting answers and in so little time

We have a winner. Thanks Cedarjet

Baghdad is absolutely the largest capital city without international services (not even domestic). We understand it is a political situation, but, still, no service is no service... And it is 6.5 million people in its metro area

Ankara (3.4 million) has services to JED (HY) and a number of German cities.

Brasilia (2.1 million in metro area) would be second. BSB has no service at all, not even to Bolivia (closer country), nor Argentina, Venezuela or Paraguay. Isn't it incredible? Bad luck TAM service to MIA did not last enough (Thanks MAH4546)

Mogadishu (1.1 million) has flights to DJI with Daalo Airlines, and I think they also fly to ADE

The Hague is, rightly said, the administrative capital of The Netherlands. It has 700.000 people and has no air service. Do they have an airport????

Wellington is 348.000 people and has services to Australia.

Canberra is only 315.000 and no international routes.

ND'Jamena and Kigali do have international flights (only disrupted when they have been on war). However, they are 601.000 and 290.000 each.

Gaza currently has no airlinks but it is only 500.000 people

Paro airport serves Thimbu, Bhutan. There was no space to build an airport in Thimbu surronded by mountains. Despite it is only 65kms away from Thimbu, it takes 2 hours by car to reach Paro airport given road conditions. However, Bhutan might be the country with most inhabitants (1.9 m) and with less airlinks: only 8 flights a week with Druk Air, the only airline flying to or from Bhutan by decree.

San Marino, Monaco, Vatican and those... no comments! Come on guys. We were talking about large cities, not tiny winny countries which does not even have space to build an airport.

So conclusions:
Baghdad is the largest capital city without international services, followed by BSB, while The Hague is third.

By the way, all population info was taken from www.gazeteer.de . It is a great web site if you look for countries info such as area, population, flags, etc.




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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 2:54 pm

I think you should add Austin, Texas to your list. Austin has a population of 700, and with the metro area, it's population is in excess of 1 million people.

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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 3:14 pm

I don't know why people always mess this up but the capital of the Netherlands is Amsterdam.

Bern, Switzerland has a few Paris and london flights, but besides that nothing.
 
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Fri Sep 27, 2002 3:26 pm

Kabul only has Ariana Domestic Services a few times a week and PIA from Pakistan. How about Ottawa, Canada?
 
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 3:37 pm

The Hague is, rightly said, the administrative capital of The Netherlands. It has 700.000 people and has no air service. Do they have an airport????

They have only a military airport in the neighborhood (called Valkenburg) and yes Amsterdam is teh capital of The Netherlands and "Holland" doesn't even exist officially. "Holland" consists of two provinces called North Holland and South Holland and is only used because it it's easy to pronounce.

Kabul only has Ariana Domestic Services a few times a week and PIA from Pakistan. How about Ottawa, Canada?

If I'm not mistaken Kabul has direct links to Frankfurt, Istanbul, Delhi and some other places
 
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 10:51 pm

I believe YOW has daily service to LHR or LGW.

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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 10:56 pm

YOW has flights to London, Boston, Washington, New York City, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit...just to name a few.
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Fri Sep 27, 2002 11:07 pm

MAH4546....you are right. Sometimes those transborder flights blend into the US domestic route map all too easily!

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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Sat Sep 28, 2002 1:46 am

Well there are two Afrcan capitals of which I can't think about an international route: Dodoma (Tanzania), Yamoussoukro (Côte d'Ivoire).

Or does Dodoma have some flights to NBO?
 
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Sat Sep 28, 2002 2:03 am

Services may start to Baghdad very soon though  Big thumbs up

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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Sat Sep 28, 2002 3:41 am

Dodoma and Yamousokro might qualify as capital cities without international services... but still, they are not big enough.

RQ774477 is, saddly, right about new "flights" to Baghdad in the near future.

So, just a question... If I would want to go to Baghdad, should I do it overland? How come?

I remember Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan president visiting Saddam Hussein in Baghdad. He did not care about flying prohibitions and flew from Jordan to Baghdad in what constituted a diplomatic affair with US. But, helas, we all know Hugo Chavez is glad to make Americans angry!!!

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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Sat Sep 28, 2002 7:14 am

How about Ottawa, Canada?

As was said above, YOW has many international destinations, although all except for LHR (and seasonal charters) are to the US. Actually about 20% of YOW's traffic is international.

Regarding Baghdad, is everyone sure about there being no international service? Not even to Iran or Pakistan or some other middle east nation?
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 7:14 am

How about Ottawa, Canada?

As was said above, YOW has many international destinations, although all except for LHR (and seasonal charters) are to the US. Actually about 20% of YOW's traffic is international.

Regarding Baghdad, is everyone sure about there being no international service? Not even to Iran or Pakistan or some other middle east nation?
 
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Sat Sep 28, 2002 8:05 am

Baghdad has no air service, it has been banned since the second Gulf War (90-91). Iran is the last place you'd see served from Baghdad. I doubt Tehran and Baghdad have been linked by air since the days of the Shah.

Of course Baghdad used to have flights all over, Iraq Airways flew 747s to Japan, Europe, Brazil, Africa, with 707s, 727s and 737s making up a dense domestic and regional network. Plus of course foreign airlines, all the ME ones plus BA 747s, LH, AF et al.

I'd be quite curious to visit, I guess it's a long taxi ride from the Jordanian border. And a lifetime of scrutiny from MI5 upon my return. Oh well, maybe next year.
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Sat Sep 28, 2002 12:42 pm

It's interesting to note that almost all the capitals listed so far are special cases in some ways. Baghdad is obvious; Brasilia and Canberra are purpose-built capitals; the Hague is a co-capital; Thimpu has an airport, albeit one some distance away; Gaza is not really a capital in the usual sense of the term, and so on.
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Sat Sep 28, 2002 1:05 pm

Paro has international flights to Bangkok, New Delhi, Calcutta and Kathmandu, using Druk Air's BAe 146s. And I think Bhutan only has one airport.
 
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Sat Sep 28, 2002 1:29 pm

Services may start to Baghdad very soon though  Big thumbs up

Well I don't know if you can count those flights... they will be more sight seeing tours over Baghdad since they won't land there. Passenger loads on F-15's won't be that high either.

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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Sat Sep 28, 2002 2:54 pm

But, I bet they don't plan to "LAND" their F-15s in Baghdad!
 
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RE: Largest Capital City Without Int'l Services

Sun Sep 29, 2002 1:52 am

Yeah, it sounds like the US is going to have plenty of flights to Baghdad very soon. Of course, I don't think they will be carrying many passengers.
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