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Landing On The Taxiway

Sat Sep 28, 2002 9:03 pm

I saw a plane yesterday in COS land on the taxiway.
I'm not familiar with small commercial aircraft but it looked like a piper.

my question is this,
1) does this happen often?
2)what will happen to the pilot?

I know those are stupid questions, this was unreal. We heard the tower say to the pilot "nxxxx you just landed on the taxiway, proceed to the jetcenter." that was it, will he get in trouble?


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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sat Sep 28, 2002 9:23 pm

If you end up on the taxiway then there's been a pretty sizeable cock-up somewhere along the line. At the end of the day the tower expects you to be on the runway, and it's the runway which is kept clear for landing -- not the taxiway, which could be in use by all sorts of other traffic.

There's bound to be an investigation and whether the pilot gets in trouble or not will depend on whose fault it is.

I can't speak for private aviation but it's not completely unheard-of even at commercial level. Look at the China Airlines A340 in Anchorage and other recent occurrences.
 
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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sat Sep 28, 2002 11:23 pm

In exceptional cases, a taxiway may be used as runway .. e.g. in case of the runway being obstructed or being worked on. This MAY have been the case, he may have been cleared to land there.

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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sat Sep 28, 2002 11:28 pm

i dont know how you can get a taxi way and rwy confused one has numbers and white markings one doesnt have that. the rwy is usually wider too....whats with the china a340 in anc?
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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sat Sep 28, 2002 11:38 pm

whats with the china a340 in anc?

When it got a take-off clearance it was suppose to turn right into the runway and take-off. Instead it just started to accelerate for take off on a taxiway parallel to another runway.
It was about a second away from crashing.


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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 1:03 am

This was a time of day that there really wasn't any traffic, we listen to tower communication in ops. He was cleared for the runway right in front of the airforce base. He then landed on taxiway golf.

one more question, can a taxiway handle a widebody landing on it?

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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 4:07 am

Was that incident in ANC an A340 or a B744? I thought it was a fully loaded 747-400?

And that aircraft barely cleared a snow burm at the end of the taxiway, there went the career of those pilots!

A NCA B742 also just about did the same thing, except the TWR noticed in time and stopped him.


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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 5:11 am

A delivery aircraft of Shanghai Airlines 737-800 took of from Honolulu either with the wind, or on a taxiway. I couldent see because HNL Airport's "junk" was blocking. All other aircraft departed on 08R, 08L - small aircraft on 04R, 04L. Instead this 738 lifted off with the wind. The wind was blowing from the Northeast, it lifted off Southwest. Funny.
 
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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 5:21 am

The other week a Jet Airways Boeing 737-700 in India landed in Pune on a taxiway parrell to the runway. The pilot did not know what happened until he got to the terminal. The same aircarft took-off a few hours later on the return flight to Mumbai with no damage.
 
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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 5:49 am

Here's a link to an article about the ANC incident....

http://www.airdisaster.com/news/0102/27/news.shtml

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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 7:07 am

I'm pretty sure that it's a routine thing for small aircraft like Cessna's and Pipers to land at [designated] taxiways.

In the seventies, when DFW had only two main north-south runways [17R/35L, and 17L/35R], the third north-south runway [18R/36L] was the inner western taxiway! I presume that it was limited to turboprops only, since it was only 4000ft or so.

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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 12:26 pm

AeroMexico used to tear up the taxiway at TUS on a regular basis. It happened at least three times, that I know of, in the last 10 years that they flew here.

A DC-9 makes quite interesting ruts when it lands on a taxiway.
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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 1:53 pm

so i guess the taxiways are much thinner than the runways?
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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 4:36 pm

Before they built RWY 16R/34L at Fort Worth Alliance Airport, they used taxiway B for landings quite often. They cleared me to land on this taxiway on more than one occasion.
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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 5:14 pm

It was an A-340 Dimitry.

I was working that night down in South Airpark but didn't hear about it until they talked about it on the news the next night.

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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 6:22 pm

There are quite a few places where taxiways are routinely used as runways, although only for 'light' aircraft.

Frankfurt, Germany, is one among them.

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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 7:43 pm

Auckland International Aiport uses teh taxiways to land sometimes like about 3 months ago when the runway was being worked on!!

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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 9:07 pm

Hey Jerrold,

That Shanghai Airlines 738 you saw take off from HNL did not take off from a taxiway, they used 26R as instructed by a controller.

Yes, this was against the pattern, but traffic was very light and winds were calm at the time. Since they were parked at Century Aviation the controller saved them about 2 miles of taxying.

While this is not common, every once in a while it is done.

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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Sun Sep 29, 2002 9:43 pm

If the taxiway has enough strenghts, one can land on it. You may end up in trouble for it unless you were cleared to do so...

If the taxiway is not strong enough, then you'll tear it up on landing. Get a huge bill and a probably some disciplinary action.

Not all taxways are built to runway strength

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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Tue Oct 01, 2002 6:22 am

Taxiways are considerably thinner than runways. The average taxiway is actually about as thick as your average concrete interstate or highway.

If an airliner lands on a taxiway, it's bound to cause some considerable damage to it.

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RE: Landing On The Taxiway

Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:48 pm

Since they were parked at Century Aviation Nope. No that one.

So if the winds were stronger, it would have taken off on 08R? Man!!! Missed it!!! I'm sure glad to photograph that bird the day before though...


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T prop, I have some questions. How do you know that knowledge? How often do you go to the airport? Do you submit any photos to A.net? Are you one of those guards? Do you work on the ramp? Do you know what other delivery/ferry flights are coming in? Do you take pics of Honolulu action too?

Thanks,
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