YVR74
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Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 8:01 am

I have flown all my life on various US carriers, and with my 6'2" frame with long legs, it has been a point of irritation to me how many passengers leave their seats reclined during meal service. As it is, I already have my knees jammed into the seat in front of me, and it makes handling a food tray almost impossible. I reached a point several years ago where I simply began declining meal service because it was more miserable than being a bit hungry.

I assumed this just came with the coach territory, so it was to my complete surprise and delight when I flew on Air Canada for the first time on an evening and overnight flight from YVR to YYZ that the flight attendants made a public announcement that all seatbacks would need to be put forward during meal service. I noticed that not all passengers complied but that the FAs would make a personal request to these individuals down the lines of "Can you please put your seatback up; the person behind you needs room to eat."

I thought that was the greatest thing. Was that a one time deal with some great flight attendants or is standard practice with many airlines around the world? I can't speak for all of them, but definitely some US airlines need to wake up and smell the proverbial coffee on that one!
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 8:12 am

I'm 6'2" also and I know how irritating and uncomfortable it is to sit behind someone who has the seat reclined, not only during meal service, but any time. I was on a Delta 737-300 in July and I sat behind this 10 year old girl, who was not only constantly moving the seat back, but she was also constantly moving the armrest up and down, causing it to jam into my knees.

When I asked her to stop, she did. In my opinion, if you're not sleeping, keep your seat back in the upright position.
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 8:32 am

I have never experienced it on any of the carriers I've flown on, although I wish they would enforce such a rule.

In fact, I wish that airlines would get rid of reclining seats altogether in coach. Seat pitch is so minimal anyway, that the angle of recline that is achievable fails to provide any benefit to the passenger.

By the way, it will interest you that Miss Manners has weighed in on this issue. She asserts that it is only "polite" to recline one's seat AFTER meal service and ONLY on night flights or flights of a duration where the cabin is encouraged to sleep.
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 9:07 am

BCal . . . the 80s [sigh]

We always, out of courtesy to the person seated behind them, 'suggested' that the passengers upright their seats for the duration of a meal service. A deft but firmly placed finger, eye contact, and a warm smile aided the compliance row by row, and often without knowledge.

I honesty don't think that most, OK many, folks really think about how their actions - however unintended - inconvenience another passenger. Seat reclining seems to be somewhat of a knee-jerk reaction soon after boarding. Given the scant nature of cabin service, in the present climes, the request should be so much easier to digest.

Hey, how about we go a step further and upright seats for a drinks service! Please!
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 9:29 am

All I can say, is that this is a reason I fly Southwest and American whenever possible -- that extra 3" is worth it!

Steve
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 10:11 am

Being 6 feet myself, this is certainly great news in case I ever fly Air Canada.
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 11:35 am

On my flights PHL-SEA and SEA-CLT, the US FA's when they made the announcement they were coming around for the meal service, that if people would put their seats upright.
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 11:46 am

While I've never heard a cabin annoucement before concerning upright seats, I have on Air Canada witnessed FA's several times ask people to put their seats up. The funniest was when my brother's recline didn't work, and his seat always reclined. The FA's began getting quite annoyed until they realized the seat was defective.
 
rpwgw
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:38 pm

I love the SQ approach. Put your seat up please. Oh you don't know how, let me show you, and the nice lady does it for you with a smile.

Some of them are a bit more abrupt than that. They just go ahead and do it for you.
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:51 pm

Try being stuck in the middle seat of a Northwest DC-10 during meal service with a seat reclined in front of you.

A few years ago I flew on NW from DTW-LGW and we got in the middle row 5 seats and I was dead in the middle. In front of us were a group of annoying school kids in front of us that were loud and obnoixous. During the entire flight, even meal service, the girl in front of me had her seat back. I ate my dinner that night with my forehead againts the back of the seat trying to get over my tray to eat my food. Sometimes it's not only the leg room that's a pain in the butt. Now I know to pre-reserve a seat.

-Shane
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 7:48 pm

Sorry, but I'm one of those who WANTS my seat to recline. Sitting 14hrs without a recline is murder.

It's a great invention those meal trays that you can pull down and then pull towards you. I just wish more pax appreciate it.

I almost got picked up by security at a destination once when a pax joining a flight for 1hr whacked me on the head for putting my seat back and a huge punch up almost occured (20 insomniac long haulers vs. 1 annoying short haulers who's been shouting for beers too!). But I already had been awake for 28hrs from the previous segment and connections. So... I want to recline my seat.

HOWEVER, if the person behind me is a tall person, I'd take that into consideration. I'd put my seat back gently, and not when he's eating. As long as he doesn't whack my head, I'd consider him. Coz I know what it's like being stuck in a seat with broken down recline and the only way to sleep is put your head on the meal tray, and then the person in front keeps putting his/her seat back and forth!

If a 6footer sits behind me, I take his situation into account. But if a little person behind me don't want me to recline my seat because he/she don't like it and he/she reclines his/her seat... There's something wrong.

Once I had an argument with a pax about seat recline. She was sitting behind me, and was very rude about my reclining, but, she'd already said to the pax behind her, "If you don't want me to recline my seat, fine another seat!" Now this kind of pax shouldn't even be allowed to board!

I wish more pax would take into consideration the situation others... It's a 2 way thing. If the person behind you is tall, recline slowly and not during meals. If he/she asks kindly, comply if you can... you tall guys know what I mean... I've sat next to an over 6 footer in agony sitting in the middle seat once... I offered to swap my aisle seat for his... his legs extended, he slept like a baby and was thankful on landing...

I just hope more shorties like me are considerate  Big grin

Hope no one got insulted...

Mandala499
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 8:14 pm

Malaysia Airlines F/As advise all passengers to put their seat up during meal services etc.
I think thats a great idea
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 8:35 pm

Well stop complaining all you short guys  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I am 6ft 4 and weigh about 200 pounds .I find it amusing thinking about how I manage to sit in the coach seats . I have always requested for the emergency exit and with my brilliant luck got them only about 10% of the times.
I was flying SFO-HKG and this nice man in front of me decided to recline his seat and fall asleep before the meal service , the F/A did just about everything she could to wake him up short of whacking him on his head , he won't budge .The fun part , it wasn't even his seat . He had boarded with his wife and the aisle seat was empty ,so the wife sits on the window seat , the husband movesto the aisle seat and both go to sleep. I had requested the F/A to move me if the seat was still empty. I could not move because these 2 decided to sleep peacefully. I really dont know how in the world I went thru that meal service , believe me it is annoying . I do not appreciate some one putting back a seat during meal service , it is alright any other time , you paid for it and you deserve it but not during meal service.

There have been several nice people as well who have actually interchanged seats with me including a gentleman who came to me and said you deserve this emergency exit more than I do , and I could not have been more thankful . But once in a while you do run into these complete idiots .

Well can't get everything can you ????


My 2 cents .
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 12:12 am

6´3´´ here - the seats in front of me simply don´t decline Big grin

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YVR74
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 4:54 am

I'm probably a bit too sensitive on the issue, just because it's been such a huge inconvenience to me with my height, but I generally take a look who is behind me and unless it's a toddler or a child, I don't recline the seat.

Although I don't agree with all Mandala499 said, I would agree that it would be a bit much not to recline a seat during a long haul flight. However, I still have no sympathy for persons who recline during meal service. Those trays that Mandala says can be pulled out work fine unless like in my case when you try to pull them out your legs are higher than the resting position of the tray and it sits at funny angles on your legs and you end up not being able to put your drink on it and having to hold your food tray to keep it from falling off.
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 5:57 am

I'm a bit like Yrv74. I do not recline my seat ever. I do not like it, so would not do it to others.

Last month on a 5 hour flight I had a window seat behind three teenagers. Their seats were fully reclined right after take off and stayed that way. During the meal service they had to lean forward because they couldn't reach their trays. The girl directly infront of me made a habit of throwing her hair back (right over the seat) Not my fault it got covered with food. She wasn't happy, but reclined her seat forward just in case. I also wedge my knees into the back of their seat until they ask what my problem is. This gives me the opportunity to tell them about the damned reclined seat. Works every time.
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 12:11 pm

I never recline my seat. There are two reasons for this. Partly it's out of consideration for the person behind me. But also, the seat back typically only comes to shoulder level on me, so the head rest becomes a very effective neckbreaker. Not very comfortable.

And I'm like Airsicknessbag also. The seat in front of me doesn't recline either. Big grin It's a killer on the knees though.
 
YVR74
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 12:50 pm

I always wondered if I was the only devious one who periodically found it necessary to use the knees as an effective jamming device.
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 3:08 pm

Lufthansa has a very nice and effective practice.
This is what I have seen (and been thankful for) during my trips to and from Latin America:
The FA ask gently those who have reclined theirs seats to put them up as they are serving the meals and forwarding the trays. No announcements made. Just a friendly reminder when you get your food. It works very well.

Regards
Erico
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 3:16 pm

I recline my seat all the time. Hahah, I forgot I fly Raffles with 52" pitch!

But honestly, I've reclined my seat in Y before and noone asked me about anything. I've had people recline into my seat as well. Makes viewing the PTV difficult.

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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 11:33 pm

As I posted before and it was deleted with out an explanation.


If you don't like the seat pitch with the seat in front of you reclined buy a larger seat. If you can't appreciate what you've bought, you had better buy what you can appreciate.

Peter
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 4:18 am

Sitting with the seat reclined a bit is acutually worse for your back than sitting sraight up. Sitting str8 up puts your weight over your hips, wich is how we bipeds are ment to carry our weight. If you are not a biped, then by all means continue to recline Smile-

Seriously, it is anoying to sit behind someone who is reclined. It violates your personal space, it makes it very hard to get in and out of your seat, and next to impossible to eat. For short flights, keep that seat up.

Carolyn

 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 5:22 am

I use my knees to block the seat in front of me until the meal service is over. It also works for tiny children.
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:03 am

I don't intentionally block the seat in front of me. There are planes though with small enough pitches that my long legs simply cannot physically accomodate a reclined seat.
 
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:07 am

What is even more annoying than a seat reclined during meal service is if the person in front of you keeps reclining and un-reclining while you are trying to watch the PTV... As soon as you get the picture to look right again, the guy in front of you decides to change the angle of his seat! Enough to make you just want to sleep through the whole flight!  Smile  Smile
 
YVR74
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RE: Seat Recline During Meal Service?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:38 am

I've never been on a flight with PTVs, but it doesn't sound like too agreeable of a situation.