bragi
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Trapped "throwers"

Thu Oct 03, 2002 5:14 am

Last spring, a Boeing 752 almost took off from here for a 3 hour flight to Denmark with two baggage handlers trapped in the cargo hold. Crying They were discovered by coincidence few minutes before pushback and were rescued.
They were apparently thinking about turning on the smoke alarm with a cigarette lighter, because they had no radio, when they were discovered.
The matter is now under investigation.

So here are my questions:
Firstly, does something like this often happen???
Isn´t the stuff (can´t remember it´s name) that´s injected on the fire lethal?
I´m not sure about this one, but is the cargo hold on the B757 pressurized?
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747-451
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RE: Trapped "throwers"

Thu Oct 03, 2002 5:40 am

Cargo areas are pressurized and they should install intercoms in the holds just incase...
 
broke
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RE: Trapped "throwers"

Thu Oct 03, 2002 5:53 am

Cargo compartments are pressurized but not necessarily heated. The detectors are designed to sense smoke, not necessarily fire.
Halon is used for a fire extinguishing agent on airplanes, it is a CFC. I'm not sure if it is toxic, but I don't think so.
Usually when cargo handlers are locked in a cargo compartment, it is because they were sleeping there.
 
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RE: Trapped "throwers"

Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:57 am

I wonder why they waited to be "discovered"... All the 757s I've seen have cargo doors that can be opened from the inside.
 
PPGMD
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RE: Trapped "throwers"

Thu Oct 03, 2002 12:45 pm

At worst case they would have had plenty of cloths to keep them warm Big grin
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KAL_LM
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RE: Trapped "throwers"

Thu Oct 03, 2002 2:13 pm

Like mentioned above, the holds are pressurized but unless carrying live cargo, not usually heated (I've slipped on a sheen of frost in a 757 belly). Halon is bad bad stuff for humans, if memory serves, it forces out the oxygen of the space it is injected to so it would be bad news.

Does it happen often? More than you might think...
about a year ago a handler fell asleep in the rear belly of a Postal 727 routing OAK-PDX-GEG in OAK. The plane arrived in PDX but the rear belly had GEG freight only so they didn't open it. Evidently the guy was banging on the door but with the ramp noise and APU running nobody here heard him. They found him passed out when the plane landed in GEG. Needless to sya they weren't too happy. What makes no sense is how the origin station didn't notice that the guy was missing...

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Tom
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RE: Trapped "throwers"

Thu Oct 03, 2002 2:42 pm

Sometimes people are locked in as a (albeit very sick) prank. A lot of these cargo bins do not have an inside release, which would probably eliminate these problems. Or there are just the really stupid people on the ramp who accidentally get themselves locked in, like a guy I work with who decided to attach the cargo net from the inside of the plane, so he could reach it more easily. Problem is that he tried to do this while behind, or inside the net.
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jjbiv
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RE: Trapped "throwers"

Thu Oct 03, 2002 3:39 pm

Halon removed free oxygen from the air...that most certainly would be toxic to a human in the hold.

joe
 
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RE: Trapped "throwers"

Fri Oct 04, 2002 1:05 am

Toxic = poisonous. Halon smothers, but is not toxic. Two pad workers were killed in a Space Shuttle engine bay that was filled with nitrogen, and we don't consider nitrogen to be toxic. People drown, but water is not toxic.
 
jjbiv
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RE: Trapped "throwers"

Fri Oct 04, 2002 2:06 am

In an enclosed area, halon is capable of causing injury or death -- there by rendering it a human toxin in this particular situation.

joe
 
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RE: Trapped "throwers"

Fri Oct 04, 2002 7:50 am

>>>They were apparently thinking about turning on the smoke alarm with a cigarette lighter,

That would have gotten them killed for sure, since the flightcrew response would have been to fire the extinguisher bottle into the compartment to fight the perceived fire.

The best way out of the situation of being locked in the cargo area (assuming you didn't avoid it in the first place) is to find a snmall piece of luggage and pound on the ceiling in the hopes that anyone sitting in the seat rows above will notice (either hearing, or feeling) the thumping, and notify a flight attendant, who will in turn notify the flightcrew.
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RE: Trapped "throwers"

Sat Oct 05, 2002 12:44 pm

I have never heard of it happening at ORD, but we all play jokes on each other and sometimes close the door while someones inside. Big grin

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