swaluvfa
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New SWA Cities...

Sat Oct 05, 2002 10:59 am

Ok...these are from RUMORS only, I repeat RUMORS only!  Smile But.....from word of mouth at Southwest, I have been hearing that they have planned to open three cities in 2003:

Richmond, VA
Allentown, PA
Westchester, NY
 
OPNLguy
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Sat Oct 05, 2002 11:20 am

With 150+ cities lobbying for service, there are 150+ rumored new cities to be served.

Word here is no new cities this year, and absent any general recovery in the national, it's my personal opinion that there may be fewer than 3 (if any) new cities in 2003.
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Sat Oct 05, 2002 11:31 am

How about IND-STL? You'd think with AA being high cost compared to SWA, this would be a prime market.TC
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jsnww81
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Sat Oct 05, 2002 1:14 pm

Southwest has been very up-front about their intention to serve Richmond once the airport expansion is complete. As for Allentown, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them head there - they can catch lots of New Jersey and Philadelphia traffic there.

I'm not so sure about Westchester, though. It's in the middle of NIMBY central - wealthy folks who have limited the airport's capacity and put the kibosh on several proposed expansions. If Southwest decides to serve another New York-area airport, I'd put my money on Newburgh/Stewart before Westchester.

I predict over the next five years, we'll see some (not ALL) of these cities: Allentown, Richmond, Newburgh, Fresno, Colorado Springs, and Fort Myers. Some of the cities on the *maybe* list - a little small for Southwest but still possibilities in my opinion - are Eugene (Oregon), Burlington (Vermont), either Panama City or Fort Walton Beach, Chattanooga or Huntsville, and Greenville/Spartanburg.
 
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Sat Oct 05, 2002 10:55 pm

Well, can you tell me about exactly what is think will have a chance with the new cities into 2003 by the 3 airport goes on with northeast cities at the airport. And this is rights need get expansion as for new nonstop soon. Don't kind need more new flight out of MCO, FLL, BWI, BNA, MSY, PHX, LAS flight too. Well, hope this is your helpful. Thanks!!
 
LoneStarMike
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Sat Oct 05, 2002 11:32 pm

Southwest has been very up-front about their intention to serve Richmond once the airport expansion is complete.

Personally, I don't think we'll see RIC next year. As I remember the press release when they announced ORF, they said one of the reasons they didn't pick RIC at the time was that they were waiting for terminal expansions to be completed at MDW and ISP. From what I've read on other boards, the ISP expansion hasn't even started yet.

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jsnww81
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Sun Oct 06, 2002 1:32 am

Southwest will get its first new gates at Midway this coming spring. When their new concourse is fully complete, they'll have 19 gates, over the 13 they have currently. That's an increase of 6 gates - Southwest should be able to expand the MDW operation considerably.

I'm guessing MDW will see nonstop service to PDX, ALB, BUF, ORF, RIC, ABE, SAT (or AUS), SLC and possibly JAX. Frequencies, especially to Florida and the Northeast, will be beefed up as well.

I didn't realize ISP was preparing for terminal expansion. The airport always struck me as pretty temporary-looking anyhow.
 
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Sun Oct 06, 2002 1:55 am

COS is keeping the East Terminal (small 5 gate terminal build for WestPac, but never used) for Southwest.

One of Southwest's request was to have a connector pedestrian bridge between the main terminal and the East Terminal. COS immediately started construction on it and it finished last year.

Now COS waits and hopes.

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LoneStarMike
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Sun Oct 06, 2002 4:24 am

I didn't realize ISP was preparing for terminal expansion. The airport always struck me as pretty temporary-looking anyhow.

Well, at one time, ISP was preparing for terminal expansion. There was an article in one of the local papers up there back in July, 2001 announcing it.

MacArthur Airport To Add New Terminal
Southwest To Pay 35 Million
07/04/2001

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=2032300&BRD=1776&PAG=461&dept_id=6365&rfi=8

Also, here is the thread about it here on airliners.net:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/512376

Shortly after 9-11 one of the posters on another message board who lives in the area said that construction had been stopped. Had construction not been halted it would have been finished by now.

It's been a long time since I read the threads on this and other boards regarding the expansion, but I seem to remember that Southwest's new gates were going to be added onto the end of the terminal and they were going to be upper-level gates connected to the main lobby/ticketing area by a skybridge. The current ground level Southwest gates (underneath the proposed skybridge?) were to be converted to office space.

I also vaguely recall that at least one poster on another board felt like Southwest would eventually add more upper-level gates on either side of the skybridge in between the 4 new gates and the main lobby, but the threads on the other sites regarding this topic have long since archived, so I can't go back and check.

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RE: New SWA Cities...

Sun Oct 06, 2002 4:43 am

Oh, and speaking of SWF (Newburgh), here is an article about them from last year that I don't remember reading.

Airline plans on hold
AVIATION: Southwest is shelving its expansion plans for 2002. What does this mean for Stewart International Airport?
12/12/2001

http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2001/12/12/arsouthw.htm

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RE: New SWA Cities...

Sun Oct 06, 2002 5:15 am

Wish they had ABE already going! Sure could use some low airfare!

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RE: New SWA Cities...

Sun Oct 06, 2002 5:46 am

Hmmm...it appears as though Southwest will have four gates up here in Manchester before they have their supposed four gates down at ISP. With 9,250 feet of new concrete coming on-line next year (17-35 extension), could Manchester end up being what ISP was supposed to be? While we also need to construct new gates to allow WN to get their four, I think (by virtue of the delays I hear about at ISP) we're closer to getting them than they are.
 
LoneStarMike
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Tue Oct 08, 2002 4:08 am

There was an article in the Los Angeles Times about Southwest which touched on Southwest's possible plans for expansion.

Southwest Still Soaring as Other Airlines Stall
Rivals and analysts are watching closely to see in which markets the carrier will expand next
10/06/2002

read more

The highlights of the article as it pertained to Southwest's expansion plans seemed to be that:

1. Even though Herb stepped down as President and CEO and remains on as Chairman of the Board, strateic planning and fleet planning is still up to him and him alone. He has the final say on any possible new cities or new service between existing cities.

2. Analysts expect to see increased service in the Chicago and Florida markets. (I wouldn't rule out increased long-haul service from HOU, either, seeing as how Southwest is getting ready to complete a new 24-gate concourse there.)

3. Any new city will most likely be one where another carrier pulled out or drastically reduced service and is now over-priced and under-served.

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RE: New SWA Cities...

Tue Oct 08, 2002 5:48 am

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. HPN BABY! Any idea where theyd fly thre from here? BWI maybe but CO and Pan Am already fly that route. I really hope we get service here.
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ScottB
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Tue Oct 08, 2002 9:41 am

My understanding was that around the time Southwest was negotiating to start service at ISP, they were also very actively interested in HPN; I'd also read that the county was either uninterested in having WN fly there or was unwilling to commit to allowing WN to expand to the size they'd like in future. I don't know if the county's attitude has changed in the wake of the drop in traffic post-9/11 -- especially given the high concentration of very wealthy NIMBY's who vote in the area. The only possibility I can see is that the local business community may have quietly suggested that they'd like to see lower fares at HPN.

I'd still be very, very, very surprised if WN were to start serving HPN, though.
 
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Tue Oct 08, 2002 10:07 am

Can EYW's runway handle a 737...i think an FLL-EYW hop would be great...
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RE: New SWA Cities...

Tue Oct 08, 2002 12:02 pm

Good business sense airline. What makes sense. No new cities are what I've heard until end of 2003 or 2004. What is going to make the most revenue, and what type of "perks" are in the package is where WN will fly.

ABE - BWI or ABE - PVD would be nice? Look for high frequency cities, with gate space and land/take off slots.

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