panamair
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Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Tue Oct 08, 2002 5:59 am

Here are some interesting changes/highlights to Delta's Transatlantic skeds for summer 2003 (compared to this summer's):

Boeing 777-200s to be used on:

ATL-LGW (all 3 daily flights)
ATL-SNN/DUB (1 daily; same as this summer)
ATL-MAN (1 daily; was M11 this summer)
ATL-CDG (1 daily; other one to be M11 instead)
ATL-MXP (1 daily; was 763 this summer)
CVG-CDG (1 daily; same as this summer)

MD11s to be used on:
ATL-FRA (1 daily; other to remain 763)
ATL-FCO (1 daily; no change)
ATL-AMS (1 daily; no change)
ATL-CDG (1 daily; other one to remain 777)
CVG-LGW ( 1daily; no change)
CVG-FRA (1 daily; upgraded from 763 this past summer)
JFK-CDG (1 daily; switched from the BOM flight which will go back to 763)
JFK-FCO (1 daily; upgraded from 763 this past summer)
JFK-ATH (1 daily; upgraded from 763 this past summer)

Others to be 763ER (including ATL-ZRH and CDG-BOM, both back down to 763 from M11 this past summer).

Incidentally, ATL-NRT is still listed on the sked (and M11 of course), contrary to some previous rumors that Delta was getting out of the Pacific altogether.

Of course, these will go through many changes before the real Summer 03 sked is finally published....
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Tue Oct 08, 2002 6:12 am

Thanks for the info. Delta definitely has the edge over other US carriers when it comes to transatlantic flights. Now if only they could get the Heathrow access they deserve...

It's too bad that Delta couldn't have maintained service to all the cities it acquired when it took over Pan Am's routes in 1991. I remember seeing Copenhagen, Stockholm, St. Petersburg, Warsaw, Prague, Budapest, Vienna, Bucharest, Lisbon and Helsinki on the Delta route map in the early 90s.

Good to see they've kept Barcelona in the system though. Do they still serve Nice and Venice from JFK?
 
panamair
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Tue Oct 08, 2002 6:19 am

Yes, Delta still serves both NCE and VCE nonstop out of JFK. These are daily during the summer but down to 4 or 5 times weekly during the winter. The JFK-NCE flight was inherited from Pan Am (even has the same flight number - PA 82 --> DL 82) but Delta started the JFK-VCE flight themselves back in 2000 I believe.
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Tue Oct 08, 2002 6:24 am

So we will see the Delta MD-11s back at FRA, yep! They were always a great sight and I´m really looking forward to spotting them again after more than a year of having to cope with rather boring (sorry) 767s.

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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Tue Oct 08, 2002 7:10 am

Does anybody know if/when Delta might bring back transatlantic service to the DFW market? With Air France in CDG, I am sure DFW-CDG would work.

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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Tue Oct 08, 2002 7:12 am

**Does anybody know if/when Delta might bring back transatlantic service to the DFW market? With Air France in CDG, I am sure DFW-CDG would work.**

You are kidding, right??

 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Tue Oct 08, 2002 9:12 am

Thanks as for nice information about with the international flight on the transatlantic flight, too. So what is think about need get stepped up more new nonstop from JFK-CPH, ARN, WAW, GVA, VIE, BUD, LIS, PRG and HEL, too. Can they need get more new nonstop by expands as for whole international flight out of JFK or ATL hubs there. Can you somebody please tell me about goes on as for next? Well, later!!
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Tue Oct 08, 2002 10:57 pm

Places like WAW, VIE, ARN, BUD are pretty thin routes and not viable for DL. They are better served by codeshare connections through CDG or MXP.

DL won't be launching any transatlantic service from DFW. AF might come back, but that's about it.

I think we might see JFK-DUB return next year, though it might depend on Ireland's willingness to remove the SNN stopover. DL was pleased with CVG-FCO and hopefully it will come back also. Otherwise, don't expect a lot of new european service because DL is in a cash conservation mode...plus if the CO codeshare is approved DL will automatically gain access to some new markets.
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Tue Oct 08, 2002 11:00 pm

I take it that CVG-FCO will not operate summer of 2003?
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Wed Oct 09, 2002 2:28 am


You'd think that with the size of NYC's Polish community, DL could support a flight to WAW from JFK?

E.
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Wed Oct 09, 2002 2:39 am

I heard from a friend that they are gonna serve ZAG in 2003. Has anyone heard anything about this route? It use to be operated by Pan Am out of JFK.


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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Wed Oct 09, 2002 6:11 am

"Delta definitely has the edge over other US carriers when it comes to transatlantic flights."

Actually, no, their aircraft are among the most cramped in economy. Their Business Elite product is excellent, however Delta's transatlantic economy just plain sucks. Cramped seats, minimal service, etc.
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Wed Oct 09, 2002 6:28 am

**Does anybody know if/when Delta might bring back transatlantic service to the DFW market? With Air France in CDG, I am sure DFW-CDG would work.**

You are kidding, right??


Bucky, there actually used be a flight utilizing a A340-312/313X before 9/11 the inaugural flight was on 5/7/01. I understand that they got decent load factors on it. I was on a CDG-DFW flight last summer and it was 100% full, even in first and business. Blink, as for your question, it is not if, but when. From what I understand, we could actually see AF back by this summer. There is no reason why AF shouldnt operate a flight to CDG from DFW to compete with BA and LH. I am looking forward to it...
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Wed Oct 09, 2002 9:23 am

Thanks for listing that preliminary schedule! I will be flying the MXP-ATL sector in July (already have tickets because we needed to get FF tickets). I will be to Italy by flying into FCO. Anyway, I also noticed the ATL-MXP-ATL flights being switched to 777 a few days ago. I am excited and disappointed at the same time. Disappointed because I really wanted to fly a 763 across the Atlantic. I have made 6 Atlantic crossings (3 round trips; on MD-11, MD-11, A332, A332, 772, 772) and none have been on a 767. I am excited though because I really like the DL 777s. One of those flights was on one (CDG-ATL; I flew BA through LGW to BCN, so that's why I only have one DL 777 flight) and it was really comfortable and I always like a PTV.

I noticed that the MXP-ATL flight is scheduled as a 11 hours and 10 minutes. I don't have a problem with the length, in fact the longer the better with me, but that does seem awfully long for a flight a bit shorter than 4800 miles. Why is that flight scheduled for so long and how long is the air time on that flight?
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Wed Oct 09, 2002 4:50 pm

The MXP ATL flight time may be due to the consistant delays at MXP, which is one of Europes most delayed airports. DL may have padded the flight times a bit to ensure 'punctuality' upon arrival.

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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2

Wed Oct 09, 2002 6:33 pm

Any information about them resuming MUC-JFK?

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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Wed Oct 09, 2002 6:36 pm

B763s at ZRH. So sad.

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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Wed Oct 09, 2002 9:28 pm

SailorOrion,

Not as for anytime with resuming nonstop from JFK-MUC flight yet. It should be wait until as for next year or so. I am not sure either way to get back again with flight to Munich, Germany. Will be wait until Delta will be made of decide about resuming nonstop again. ok? Well, later!!
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Wed Oct 09, 2002 9:36 pm

Actually, no, their aircraft are among the most cramped in economy. Their Business Elite product is excellent, however Delta's transatlantic economy just plain sucks. Cramped seats, minimal service, etc.

Two questions:

Have you ever even tried it?

What are you comparing it to if you have?
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:33 am

Out of choice I fly Delta transatlantically every six weeks or so (14 segments in last 12 months, of which 5 were in business). DL's economy is slightly better than other carriers.

Legroom is typical scheduled leg room....However the new 3-3-3 777 seats are thinner than previous, therefore offering more legroom when compared to the 2-5-2 seating. (truthfully, I never noticed)

I Still prefer the 2-5-2 layout as when the flight is quiet you can really stretch out....Recently I had the middle five seats to my self on an quiet MD11, and slept the whole way to LGW... The Gatehouse staff will block the rest of the row on a quiet flight.... Bulkhead seats are usually held off for assignment at the gate as well.

DL's Business Elite is excellent, with good food, seats and entertainment. with a 2-2-2 layout, its very comfortable on the 777 and MD-11. Some people complain that the 767 2-2-2 layout is a bit tight. I never noticed the difference though.
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:42 am

To reply to bestWestern,
Malpensa does not have all that CONSISTENT delay that you might think.
If some problems have clearly slowed down the airport at the beginning ( and some others have yet to be solved) punctuality is not one of those at the moment.
The long flight time may be due to a less convenient air routing, or ( gasp! - ironic, please) consistent delays at Atlanta????
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:56 am

Answers to your 2 questions:

1) Yes, I have.

2) United, Lufthansa and American


>>Two questions:
>>
>>Have you ever even tried it?
>>
>>What are you comparing it to if you have?

Actually, no, their aircraft are among the most cramped in economy. Their Business Elite product is excellent, however Delta's transatlantic economy just plain sucks. Cramped seats, minimal service, etc.

 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Thu Oct 10, 2002 5:22 am

A nice DL 763 ATL - Glasgow would be nice
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Thu Oct 10, 2002 7:23 am

Yes, this is really very good idea as for new route from ATL-GLA flight as for near of the future. So Continental were already opreate nonstop from EWR-GLA flight by B757-200 aircraft as for itself. Also, AA were still opreate by nonstop from ORD-GLA flight as for daily roundtrip. I did look it up as for myself on the Electronic Timetable as for myself. So hope this is your helps. Thanks!!
 
panamair
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Thu Oct 10, 2002 7:23 am

There has been talk of resuming another MUC transatlantic nonstop (choice between JFK or CVG). The rumors (and I stress RUMORS) of resumption in services include: JFK-MUC; JFK-ZRH; JFK-DUB/SNN as well as the addition of JFK-PRG though the earliest any of this could possibly happen would be next summer...but as someone else said, Delta is in big-time cash conservation mode and so unlikely to significantly increase capacity anytime soon. Overall, wrt the company's financial health, the word is that International is actually doing OK..it's domestic that's suffering from low yields/traffic, etc.
 
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RE: Delta Preliminary Transatlantic Skeds Summer 2003

Thu Oct 10, 2002 9:10 am

Actually, no, their aircraft are among the most cramped in economy. Their Business Elite product is excellent, however Delta's transatlantic economy just plain sucks. Cramped seats, minimal service, etc.

OK, I've gotta know, how is DL "among the most cramped in economy" when its seat pitch of 32" (predominantly) is (albeit slightly) better than CO, NW, BA, KL, and VS all of whom offer seat pitch of 31" and equal to LH, LX, AF, UA? Now, care to explain how you came to the conclusion that DL has some of the most cramped economy seats in the industry?
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No M11 To AMS

Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:11 am

Delta did not operate the M11 to AMS last summer. I assume they will upgrade to an M11 for next summer?