And please do not forget that the whole reason why SNBA saw the daylight was to help reduce the dammage done by the demise of Sabena!
I still remember the big words of our so beloved government: in januari 3000 ex sabeniens will find a new home at Snba!!!!! my a**!
I know that there are still some SNBA pilots caring about the faith of jobless colleagues and friends but hey, this is a vast minority! All the rest do not give a shit about the jobless pilots! They only care about their salary, their position and their jobsecurity!
And I still am serious when I say that a lot of them see this as an opportunity to get even with Sabena pilots....frustrated, thats all!
As a proof I will again post here an extract of their intranet....see for yourselves how far the solidaruty goes.....
Concerning the seniority list: the whole thing is based on and made by Sabena pilots!! So there are two options: you maintain the list and you let everybody have the place he or she deserves (including Sabena pilots) or you throw it away and you start a new one based on different criteria!
Now the list is mostly based on results of training at the EAC/BAS/SFA so why should a pilot be denied the place that he deserves!!!!
Get real guys......if it was not for the guys who you are now stabbing in the back you still would be flying DAT like 20 years ago! Maybe you should ask the " anciens " about what it was like back than!!!!!
And please get back on your feet....if it was not or the good sense of the curators you all would be grounded now as well! You know why I still hve not touched a dime of my " sluitingsvergoeding, opzeggingvergoeding etc etc".....because first priority was to let SNBA survive!
- Do Sep 05, 2002 12:27 am
Onderwerp: Report of the Ip Meeting of the 04/09/02
The Financial status of the company is still better than foreseen and improving.
The SNBA is consolidating its position.
The introduction of the new MH a/c will be announced officially by the end of September. The type is not defined yet (depending on the marker availability). The number is reduced versus the first rumors...
A minimum of 50% of the new MH pilots will come from Dat.
On the 17th September a press conference over SNBA will take place.
The pilots salary is not to be increased in the next future...
As the company is doing well the whole SNBA employees may expect a reward of it...
The 6 FO upgrading will undergo a new training program with SN Brussels Airlines Crewroom - Report of the Ip Meeting of the 04/09/02more accent on the captaincy.
Ex SN/Dat BAé 146 pilots are expected to rejoin the SNBA as Dat Captains will upgrade on the new MH a/c.
The problem list seems to be a little short :
What about DEMOTIVATION? LACK OF RESPECT FOR EMPLOYEES?SOCIAL IMPACT ON PILOTS AND THEIR FAMILIES AFTER THE SALARY REDUCTION ? THE LACK OF JOB SECURITY DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NO LOSS OF LICENSE ANYMORE ? DO THEY REALIZE THE OUTCOME OF THIS IF SOMEBODY LOOSES HIS LICENSE OR HAS A MEDICAL PROBLEM, AND I COULD GO ON....
AND BY THE WAY THE PROBLEMS YOU DESCRIBED ARE THE RESULT OF ALL OF THIS, AND THE WHOLE PILOT COMMUNITY HAS ALREADY BEEN PUNISHED...
- Do Sep 05, 2002 5:05 pm
Onderwerp: Re: Report of the Ip Meeting of the 04/09/02
A minimum of 50% of the new MH pilots will come from Dat.
And the other 50% from outside? Will they get a position on the sen. list?
Btw what is Ip?
- Do Sep 05, 2002 5:44 pm
I agree on your list, but:
Getting us imposed to fly full automatics as the Brits is the last thing I want to hear about...
Let's be smart enough not to give them the reason to impose it...
Let's be professionals !!!
- Do Sep 05, 2002 6:05 pm
, for heaven's sake, what is IP?
- Do Sep 05, 2002 8:06 pm
Professionalism is something you acquire after years of hard work and motivation, self esteem and unfortunatly with our profession it is very much related to the safety of an airline operation.
This is exactly what I am trying to point out, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR BEING "UNPROFESSIONAL" in this industry and these poeple have created a very UNSAFE environment by treating us the way they did and continue to do...
Just take in consideration what most crew members discuss inside the cockpit : MONEY, JOB STABILITY, FATIGUE, OTHER JOB POSITION, FAMILY STRESS,etc ....
We should be TREATED like professionals by our employer.
There is a great saying: " You feed peanuts, you get monkeys"
- Vr Sep 06, 2002 5:39 pm
it seems to me that we are going back to 'square one'!
Again: the problems that exist today and that have a tendency to decrease the safety HAVE A DEEPER CAUSE! Repressing langauge and dito actions to restore safety have an adverse effect in the current situation (look back at the past).
( I realize you just give us an extract of the reunion so it is not a personal attack)
I guess, what we are saying for about 8 months now, is that we gave our best but we feel pretty much f**cked in the *** (Oops sorry!).
Maybe the situation exist because some of the 102 ex-SN staff have a hidden agenda and feel the should 'do' something for there colleagues stil on the ground (don't know, just a tought).
For the people I mostly fly with I say 'chapeau!!' Since the beginning we kept flying for the pax and our company keeping the punctuality and safety high regardless of how they felt and their opinion.
I guess the stress of the whole situation is taking its toll whether we like it or not ...
This extract from the reunion is very hard to read!
Maybe the management may be lucky that we do not react in the same way as the Air France pilots (yet) but we at least try to exploid all options.
Have a nice week-end
All the best,
- Za Sep 07, 2002 10:52 am
Motivation is still lacking in the pilot group. So there will not be a salary increase in the (near) future, but we can expect rewards ??!! Is that on paper or is it just another carrot?
People are leaving the company constantly. How many more are going? Who has a cv out with another company? If there are over 80 (out of our 300 pilots) cvs at just one other company then you start wondering what is going on.
For all those that have left, why not redistribute the pay amongst those that are still here? Maybe I can't add and maybe I am just naive, but a lot more people are packing their bags.
From another disgruntled pilot.
- Za Sep 07, 2002 8:43 pm
IP stands for Instructor Pilot
Demotivation is omnipresent among pilots and I am not an exception.
Nevertheless I do not accept to let my upset feelings influence the quality of my work in the cockpit.
My demotivation do influence my quantity of work into this company and on my personnal contribution into this company, being into the cockpit or not. Although it doesn't appear immediatly into the company results the pilot proactive participation into the company is an essential key.
I don't come to work to do unprofessional work.
My quantity of work and investment into this company is going to be the image of the way we are (badly) treated and payed for.
Nevertheless in the cockpit you have to stay professional otherwise you and all your colleagues may pay the bill...
I don't want to be obliged to fly full automatics ILS all year around.
- Za Sep 07, 2002 10:57 pm
Why no any response from the top now they have fully acces to this forum to give us more information about what's going on? A cancer is growing ... Nobody feels happy anymore while everything seems to go
very good ?
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