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Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 5:18 pm

Singapore Airlines provides excellent service on their flights. 1.5 yrs ago they started introducing new sleeper seats.


But not on all new aircraft.

Why is Singapore Airlines installing conventional Ultimo seats and not the new sleeper seats on new 777 aircraft ?


Do they take to much space to be economical feasible?

Did First class passengers like them too much ?

Are they not functioning satisfactory or too heavy ?

Who knows ?

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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 5:23 pm

Keesje, the Boeing 777-212/ER aircraft (9V-SV series) arrive from Boeing with UltimoPlus seats. I believe that 9V-SVH and 9V-SVJ were refitted with Spacebeds after delivery from Seattle in Singapore.

This is what happens:

The aircraft lands, is towed to the hangar by a tug and refurbishment work begins. The UltimoPlus seats are removed and the Spacebeds are installed. Or maybe it might have been factory-fitted from 9V-SVJ onwards as I don't recall 9V-SVJ in the hangar.

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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 5:25 pm

Anyway the bottom pic you provided is not that of an UltimoPlus seat in the Boeing 777-212/ER (9V-SV series). It is the Ultimo seat found in all Boeing 747-400s.

There is a pic of an UltimoPlus seat in the database:


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The UltimoPlus seat has more functions than the Ultimo seat and is also larger.

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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 5:46 pm

The aircraft lands, is towed to the hangar by a tug and refurbishment work begins. The UltimoPlus seats are removed and the Spacebeds are installed. Or maybe it might have been factory-fitted from 9V-SVJ onwards as I don't recall 9V-SVJ in the hangar.


So Daryl, issit possible that we buy these discarded UltimoPlus seats from SQ? Would really like one set in my bedroom, nice to look at slides in them.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 5:47 pm

"Keesje, the Boeing 777-212/ER aircraft (9V-SV series) arrive from Boeing with UltimoPlus seats. I believe that 9V-SVH and 9V-SVJ were refitted with Spacebeds after delivery from Seattle in Singapore."

Why were the Spacebed not fitted at Boeing? Is it common practice for airline to refit the seats (assuming they have a new product eg CX & SQ) by themselves?
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 6:37 pm

Cathay Pacific, all I remember was that 9V-SVH, once delivered direct from Seattle, was towed into the hangar for Spacebed fitting. Tsentsan, if you want, you can call up SQ Customer Service and enquire the price, but you have to hook it up to the mains or it won't work!  Big thumbs up

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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 7:16 pm

I don't think the new aircrafts even come fitted with any J class seats. It basically flies into SIN with just a shell cabin so that SIN can install the spacebeds immediately. It is just not economically feasible or comprehensible to buy and install Ultimo seats in Seattle, then have them dismantled and discarded in SIN.

My common sense tells me that is not possible. And knowing how cost conscious SQ is... I am afraid your assumption that the new 777ERs comes with Ultimo seats is flawed.
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 7:50 pm


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Remark :
9V-SRL View of Business Class on this brand new aircraft.
Jul 2002

Obviously not towed to the hanger for immidiate modification ....



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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 8:10 pm

9V-SRL is not a 777-200ER or a 747-400 and therefore as you say will not go into the hangar for immediate modification for anything really.

The time scale is one year and all relevant aircraft should have SPACEBEDS in them by July 2003.

According to media reports, all LHR and SYD planes have them. It is also known that LAS has them on all flights.
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 8:13 pm

Daryl - U have the number? I'm dead serious about this. We can buy Ansett and QF ones here, but I dont wanna ship the damn seat back...
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircra

Fri Oct 11, 2002 9:57 pm

Tsentsan:

Where can you get the AN / QF ones from?

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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 11:33 pm

Qantas should have some spare old economy seats very soon when they begin replacing the old seating in the 737s and 743s with the new 744 style economy seats.

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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Sat Oct 12, 2002 12:16 am

Longreach - AN ones were from the auction, QF ones were advertised in the East Coast papers once in a while..
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Sat Oct 12, 2002 4:20 am

Perhaps we should clear up some confusion before this thread carries on.

In the B777 fleet, only the 9VSV* series will have the Spacebeds. The first aircraft in this series came with Ultimo Plus seats, but they will be retrofitted with Spacebeds. SQ772 is right in that the yet-to-be-delivered SV* examples won't be fitted with Ultimo seats at all.

The SQ*, SR* and SY* fleets are not and will not be fitted with Spacebeds.

SQ772: I know the Ultimos are manufactured in Italy. Do you know where the Spacebeds are manufactured?

Tsentsan: I highly doubt you'll be able to get your hands on used Ultimo Plus seats. SQ does not allow its used products to flood the market - AFAIK, everything is destoyed - kebayas, serviceware, etc.
 
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Sat Oct 12, 2002 4:42 am

Ex_SQer, sigh, what a waste then...... perhaps seats are ok, since they're considered assets..... i dont know, would just ask perhaps?
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Sat Oct 12, 2002 9:53 am

Tsentsan: Assets schmassets. It's all about protecting the integrity of the brand. It's still worth a shot, but I think you'll get a brush off from whomever you call.
 
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Sun Oct 13, 2002 2:36 am

Thanks for clarifying Ex_SQer, I was talking about the yet to be delivered SV series 772s. Sometimes I start a post with the premise that people know the issues and background surrounding SQ, so I tend to leave out the intricate details...sorry guys.

I recall reading somwhere about the Spacebeds and I think I actually bookmarked the manufacturer's website in my laptop in the office. Will check it out for you on Monday.

Btw, when will you be arriving in SIN this Dec? I will be embarking on a work trip in mid December to Qatar and Dubai (after their Ramadan mth and provided war doesn't break out between the US and Iraq). Also planning a vacation after my work trip till the New Year, so I might not be able to catch you in SIN if my schedule goes as planned. In any case, there's always Ryanair...  Big grin

Tsentsan, as Ex_SQer said, chances of you acquiring those Ultimos are slim. SQ protects it's brand integrity and identity and assets like a mother protecting her child.... however, if you are lucky, you may be able to find stocks of old SQ serviceware being sold illegally in the open air market next to Rochore Road.
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Sun Oct 13, 2002 2:52 am

I'll be arriving on the 18th, departing on Jan 8th.

SQ serviceware on sale at Rochor Road? Never knew that, but doesn't surprise me....
 
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Sun Oct 13, 2002 3:00 am

SpaceBed as well as Ultimo seats are the product of Aviointeriors. Check out the web site at http://www.aviointeriors.com/

SpaceBed can be found in their First Class product section under the name "Eva" a.k.a "Cocoon" (http://www.aviointeriors.it/cocoon.htm) and the Ultimo under the name "Ella" (http://www.aviointeriors.it/ella.htm)
 
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Sun Oct 13, 2002 3:09 am

Thanks spk....so I guess the spacebeds and ultimo seats are manufactured by the same Italian guys.... doesn't surprise me actually, AVIO has been involved in many of SQ's inflight products for quite sometime now...

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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Sun Oct 13, 2002 4:35 am

"however, if you are lucky, you may be able to find stocks of old SQ serviceware being sold illegally in the open air market next to Rochore Road."

Really? If SIA knows, why don't they take legal action and close the offending stall?
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Sun Oct 13, 2002 4:59 pm

These people don't even own a stall...they lay a piece of canvas on the ground, dump their items and start selling. I have found service ware from the pre-terracota ware days...the ones that were even more squarish and angular... I don't think SQ would want to spend money on these errant traders.
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Mon Oct 14, 2002 5:06 am

It's a flea market over there. The traders can be elusive. In any case, pursuing/suing little guys won't be worth the cost and it will probably damage SQ's reputation more than anything.

It's funny how these items show up in the most randoms places, though. There is an Indonesian restaurant in L.A. that has the small SQ Y Class spoons in their chilli sauce jars! The owner kept quiet when I enquired about their origins!
 
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RE: Singapore Not Installing Sleeper On New Aircraft?

Mon Oct 14, 2002 10:47 am

It's funny how these items show up in the most randoms places, though. There is an Indonesian restaurant in L.A. that has the small SQ Y Class spoons in their chilli sauce jars! The owner kept quiet when I enquired about their origins!

If I were you, I'd be very tempted to take the spoon home with me!!!
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