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dalecary
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Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 3:25 pm

The much awaited order has been announced . I saw it on Reuters. 120 firm and 120 options.

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 3:30 pm

Too good to be true. Do you have a link?

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 3:44 pm

If this is true, this is definitely a blow to Boeing and the 737NG. I would be interested in the reasoning behind choosing the A32X over the 737NG. I.E., was it price alone? Was the 737 not fitting operationally within EasyJet's structure? Should be interesting, and although I am a Boeing fan, congrats to Airbus on a job well done!

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ChrisEDDL
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 3:44 pm

Check out this link on easyjet's website...

http://www.easyjet.com/en/news/20021014_01.html

Very nice...

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 3:49 pm

Doh! If only I was online earlier.

Very interesting.

Ray Webster of Easyjet Group is going to be on CNBC EUROPE in the next 13 minutes

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:05 pm

Since when can you put 150 or even 156 seats into an A319?

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:09 pm

An interesting details accoding to the press release from easyJet:

"A319s will be introduced initially via easyJet's Geneva base from August 2003 operating under easyJet's Swiss air operator's licence."

So, I think we can expect the first A319s to fly on the Geneva- and Zurich-routes. What do you think, is there a special reason behind the registering under easyJet Switzerland?

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:13 pm

Excellent news for the European Aviation Industry. What this does to the Boeing Share Price, and to the already weak 737 production line should be interesting. With around 60 737's from Go and Easyjet coming into a very weak market, it will be interesting to see how boeing reacts with production levels.

Key points of the deal:

Firm order for 120 Airbus A319 aircraft for delivery from September 2003 over 5 years
Options with price protection on a further 120 Airbus A319 aircraft until 2012
Airbus A319 will be configured with 150 seats, with the possibility of increasing to 156, compared to 149 on the Boeing 737-700
Options for larger sized Airbus A320 and Airbus A321 at pre-agreed prices.

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:19 pm

Well I didn't see this one coming. Airbus must have made them a deal they simply couldn't refuse. I sure wouldn't want to be stuck on an A319 for very long with 156 seats squeezed in it, most airlines operate only 150 seats on the A320. But, I guess it will be interesting to see the A319 painted up in easyjet orange!

Best of luck easyjet.
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:20 pm

Great news, it's about time the European low-cost airlines saw the benefits of Airbus...

I wish easyJet every success with the new bird.
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:24 pm

They are using the Swiss operation first as it will not be affected by the changes currently happening in EasyJet regarding the merger of GO. Because of this the Pilots have only one thing to worry about.... A319 conversion.

When the UK settles down (in 18 months time or so), then will be the time to introduce the new aircraft.
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:24 pm

That's so great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:25 pm

Shocking.. I guess the folks at Boeing seriously need to consider a new family design (737 thru 767), otherwise the only people left buying Boeing will be the US military and Southwest.

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:50 pm

The worst aviation news I've read in a while...

Well, so long easyjet. In 20 year's time, they'll be laughing at this low-cost airline that could have been No 1 in Europe and failed it all. Stelios is smart to slowly get out of it while it's still overvalued...

Somehow easyjet management seem a bit megalomanic: Taking over Go (at inflated post 11/9 prices) was a big step. Getting an option on dba would, if they go through with that merger as well, be another big step. Buying an entire fleet of aircraft of a different type to their current fleet? Could any worse management decision be made at this point? They're pretty much going to choke - overzealous expansion will ruin the airline.

Low-cost no-frills airlines were underestimated for years. Now, after the 11/9 restructuring of the airline industries, they're way overestimated and overvalued - a stock market bubble waiting to burst, like IT companies a few years ago.

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:56 pm

This is great news! I wish Easyjet every success with their new Airbus Aircraft!

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:59 pm

Ikarus, I think you may be half-right. Lo-cos are undoubtedly over-valued at the moment but the difference between them and the hi-techs is that lo-cos are making real money at the moment. Unfortunately the hi-techs never did.

As far as the Airbus selection is concerned, it will be a few years before we know if it the right decision. It is a point of difference between Ezy and Ryanair so it will be interesting to see who pulled the right rein.
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 5:01 pm

I think they looked at the success of JetBlue and Frontier and that helped decide for them.

While I too wonder about the kind of cabin you'll get with 150 pax in an A319, do not forget that it will be a single class cabin.
And huge numbers of seats are not that uncommon. Charter layouts regularly put 20% more seats in an aircraft than would be feasible in a regular layout (and lowcost nofrills carriers like Easyjet operate similar cabins usually).
For example, SobelAir puts about 270 pax in a 767-300, where KLM (also not known for the very roomy interiors) gets no further than about 220.
Just going to single class will gain you about 50% extra seats in the part of the cabin that would otherwise hold the businessclass seats.
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 5:04 pm

270 in a 767-300? We get 328 in ours...
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 5:23 pm

Well, it's certainly interesting news, and I never ruled out seeing an Airbus in Easyjet colours.

Deviating from the tried and proven Ryanair/Southwest model doesn't necessarily imply imminent failure (although it doesn't seem to rake as much profit).

I agree that JB was an inspiration (well, the press release/Stelios mentioned them, along with FR and WN).

According to my no-frills study aid, the JB decision to acquire Airbus 320s was based on these facts:

-24 more pax than the 737

-more legroom for pax than competing Y class cabins

-burns less fuel than the 737

-slightly wider seat bottom (!!)

Another interesting day in the aviation world.....well, it would have been a bit boring if it was just another batch of 737-700s!  Big grin
 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 5:27 pm

will they have leather seats?

will they have PTV like JetBlue?

Will they have one loo at the front and toulouse at the back?

Will they not be orange?

Hope they introduce excellent cleaning regimes to keep them clean inside and outside.
 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 5:31 pm

This also finally means eventually in the winter easy will be able to continue operation on those foggy days at Luton. The airport is very susceptible to fog, and it is such a shame to have all those orange 737s diverting to other airports whilst the likes of Monarch A320s and ourselves trundle on in with CATIIIb autoland...

The 73's just can't hack it in the thick fog...

Also I find the minibus a far smoother ride from a passenger point of view than the 737, flies like it's on rails...
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 5:42 pm

Indeed in an article Stellios referred to Jetblue as an example they looked at.

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 5:44 pm

Ikarus,

If your read EasyJet's statement you'll see that they won't be loosing anything by switching over from the Boeing 737 to the A319. Read the quotes below.




It is expected that the final contract would provide easyJet with a number of significant financial benefits:

- easyJet estimates substantial savings, compared to buying additional B737-700s today

- easyJet estimates the A319 would achieve an approximate 10% improvement per aircraft over the existing Boeing 737 operating cost base (measured per available seat kilometre)

- Airbus to provide extensive support so that the introduction of the A319 to be no more expensive than the B737-700 in the first two years

- Airbus backed maintenance program means cost not higher than Boeing

- Airbus assistance reduces residual value risk on remaining 10 owned B737-300s.

Basically Airbus has given them a deal they can't refuse and Boeing didn't loose by not getting this order because their B737's are already well established with other low-costs such as RyanAir and Southwest Airlines.
 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 5:45 pm

Airbus A319 will be configured with 150 seats, with the possibility of increasing to 156

150 seats.... it seem very cramped compared to the current 144 seats used by some charter airlines.
I think it's very unlikely they will put 156 seats cause that means one more FA and 4 FA's for 156 pax are 1 every 39 pax.
 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 6:07 pm

Well, it's good to see how some so called aviation fan reacts to a positive aviation news (no airline closing, no air crash, etc, but just an airline choosing a new plane...). Or is something related to that particular company based in Toulose?

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 6:20 pm

Perhaps the most Important for Airbus is that they undermined the Boeing promoted picture Airbus is for "expensive" carriers (SR, BA, LH, AF) and 737 for cost focussed airlines (Easyjet, Go, Ryanair, Hapag, etc) ...
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:10 pm

One thing does worry me though: EADS is essentially footing the entire bill to convert from the 737 to the A319. A bill that could exceed €100,000,000 by a big margin.

Given that EADS still has close government ties in France, Germany and Spain, will this mean French, German and Spanish taxpayers will end up footing much of the bill for EasyJet (U2) to convert to the A319? If that is the case expect Boeing to petition the World Trade Organization to overturn this deal.

Also, there is not mention of what engine will U2's A319 use. I think U2 will probably choose the CFM56-5, since the CFM56-5 meets the strict exhaust emission regulations in force in Switzerland.
 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:24 pm

I also expect easyJet to get the slots the are looking for at Paris Orly now. I once heard Webster would have been in Paris to talk to the transport minister ...
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:28 pm

and what is to happen with the 737s? It says there are keeping them to use them "interchangeably"...but that doesn't seem realistic. Don't lowfare carriers tend to have a single type plane or at least a single type manufacturer (i.e. no A&B)....I would think that wuold boost maintnence prices...

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:39 pm

By the way, I just saw the official announcement, and Easy-Jet is only stating an INTENTION to buy Airbus, but also adds that the terms of the deal still need at least a couple of weeks of negotiation.
 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:03 pm

I hear they´ll install an additional pair of overwing exits for the increased capacity.

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:06 pm

About the extra seats, maybe they are going to find the space by removing some of the galleys.
They sell some drinks and sandwiches. They do not serve full hot meals. means a lot of space you can use to add 1 or 2 rows of seats.
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:16 pm

EZY's shares are now down 14p, after having been down 17.5p! There's a lot of uncertainty about how EZY plans to fund this purchase, and if a rights issue is involved, expect the shares to at least halve in value.
 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:37 pm


I think Airbus has thought of their own production capacity in this deal. By selling that many planes they can avoid having to trim down their production rates, which might have entailed terminations and associated loss of competence. In other words, this can help keep their organisation in good shape over the present slump in business.

RayChuang, EADS is a publicly traded company so I don't think this amounts to public (in the other sense of public) support for EasyJet.

 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:40 pm

Mmmmh. I looked at the press release again. Basically, they say that Airbus is the preferred manufacturer - nothing been signed yet, and everything is up to the shareholders.

Also, the 30% lower price (incl. adjustment for inflation) than their original 737-700 purchase a few years back, the extensive Airbus assistance (maintenance, Airbus have to make sure the A319 is no more expensive than 737-700 in first years), the pre-agreed prices for A320s and A321s - it all sounds as if easyjet has one giant demand list. Presumably they could not get the same low prices out of Boeing as Ryanair did when they signed their giant order, so now they go for Airbus - if Airbus agrees to that (very generous) offer.

120 firm orders and 120 options? That's bigger than Ryanair's order, isn't it? Quite frankly, to me this sounds too much like a route straight into gigantic debts and eventual bankruptcy.

Another factor in my opinion: Jetblue operated the A320 - not the A319. Of all low cost airlines, barely anyone goes for the A319. The A319 is the highest range A320-derivative, but also (as shortened plane) quite heavy for the number of pax it carries. If easyjet goes for the 319 purely to make sure it's interchangeable with 737-300s and 737-700s (146 pax, right?), then they get a less economic Airbus than A320 or 321. They should either get rid off the 737s and go all-Airbus (320, not 319), or keep the 737s and buy more of those. A mixture just sounds like an awkward decision.

Hopefully, the shareholders will block the deal

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:02 pm

Two things:
1) will the 319 one day outnumber the 320?
2) I guess this order ensures Airbus wins the 2002 orderbook `race'.
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:41 pm

I had hoped to see them go for further 737's since we have enough airlines with the A32X here in europe ny now...
When I read the statement on their website it seemed to me as if all the benefits (over the 73G) had to come from Airbus (extra support and so on) while on the other side they seem to come out of operating the 737...
Not that I am saying that the 737 is more advanced than the A319 but somehow it does fit better to the lowcost market if you alone consider the extra weight you carry around with the A319. If they would have gone for the A320 I could have supported the idea (going JetBlue).

Well at least if this order does go through (and I know somebody from Seattle, ahh chicago who won't want that to happen...) the planes will be MADE IN GERMANY  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:41 pm

I prefer Boeing jets anytime
 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:44 pm

Mmmmh. I looked at the press release again. Basically, they say that Airbus is the preferred manufacturer - nothing been signed yet, and everything is up to the shareholders

Well, my press-release says the following:

"easyJet has granted Airbus exclusivity for 45 days to agree documentation. The agreement in principle is subject to contract. The detailed terms are subject to confidentiality restrictions, and any final agreement will be subject to shareholder approval."

Shareholder or board approval is nothing unusual (for legal reasons, btw) - for example, every Lufthansa order announced carries the disclaimer that it is subject to such an approval. Once approval is given, a binding contract can be signed, until then the agreement is "subject to contract". If approval is granted - and Stelios' family as the biggest shareholder has already done so - and Airbus is able to finish documentation within 45 days (why shouldn't they ?), it is a done deal.

 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:45 pm

For me it is good news that EZ goes for Airbus!

What I do not understand is why they opted for the A319! As stated before it is quit heavy for the number of pax it can carry and quit expensive too operate...

I would have put money that EZ went for the A320....
 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:50 pm

If their cabin looks as good as jetBlue's when it comes out, then it will be one helluva nice looking cabin. I was astonished when I saw B6s A320 for the first time. It was unlike any boeing I have ever seen.
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 10:03 pm

Well this is the way I read the situation,.

Easyjet just announced to the world and Airbus that if they can keep the costs of operations of the A-319 lower then the 737-700 they will buy a bunch of them.

Now the question is, in the next 45 days will Airbus agree to the maintaince demands and the cost demmands that Easyjet just made? Because in 45 days, Easyjet calls Seattle again and gives them a second chance.

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 10:06 pm

BR715-A1-30: I remember reading somewhere that the guy who started Jetblue originally assumed he would be buying Boeing. As usual, he made enquiries to both manufacturers, and was given a presentation by Airbus. It was their offer (in terms of price and amenities at the low price), together with the concept of differentiating his product from Southwest and others, that convinced him.

Easyjet did not mention whether they intend to make a leap in terms of entertainment, seat comfort or anything. So, until they do, the best bet is that they'll just fit the Airbus with a similar cabin to their 737s - without any gains for passengers.

The other option is to do what Ryanair was considering, and go for PTV and video on demand - at a premium charge for passengers (similar to watching movies on demand in hotels for prices that any cinema would be ashamed to charge)

Anyway. I still believe the deal is bad for Easyjet, and bad for Airbus. Aggressive marketing is OK, and getting their teeth into a new cutomer justifies a lot of discounts etc. But for an order of 120 aircraft, with 120 options at pre-agreed (incredibly discounted) prices? That goes a bit far - so far that it seems kinda unlikely that Airbus can make a profit on these aircraft. And they fill up their production line with low-cost, no-profit 319s. Is that so desirable?

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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 10:07 pm

Ahhh, poor us who love to fly have to deal with Airbus' tiny window view.
 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 10:24 pm

I'm surprise that Airbus won the order, anyway congrats to them!!
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 10:53 pm

I must admit that I am not too sure what to make of this news. For one, I was always under the impression that lo-cos like easyJet and Go (I haven't flown Ryanair yet, nor am I likely to) had a more comfortable and spacious seat pitch on their 733s and 73Gs than charters like Air 2000 and Airtours had on their A320s and 757s? Was I correct or was it just a misconception. And if that, will this change on the Airbuses?
Also, what are easyJet gonna do without their airstairs? Any time I board their aircraft, they seem to be the only stairs on offer? Have Airbus offered an alternative, or will we see mobile stairs and airbridges being introduced on a larger scale?
And then there is the colour scheme - although not remotely attractive, the orange did look ok on the 737 - I can't picture it being anything other than monstrous on an Airbus. Any changes in the pipeline?
 
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:02 pm

Easyjet is unlikely to go for such luxury items as leather seats and PTVs.
Not only are they aming at another market that doesn't care for leather seats (only NYC yuppies do that), they also don't fly the long routes JB does so inflight movies are pointless.
Leather seats and PTVs DO require a lot of extra maintenance though, and take up space and weight that can be used to carry more pax.
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:04 pm

I don't think Airbus was the only one offering a "can't refuse" deal.

Look what Boeing did last year buying new SQ 340's.

We are talking the same Boeing guys here ...
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RE: Easyjet Selects Airbus

Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:11 pm

But for an order of 120 aircraft, with 120 options at pre-agreed (incredibly discounted) prices? That goes a bit far - so far that it seems kinda unlikely that Airbus can make a profit on these aircraft. And they fill up their production line with low-cost, no-profit 319s. Is that so desirable?

In this case I believe that Airbus doesn't so much want to make money on this but rather the goal is to make sure that Boeing doesn't do so. I personally tend to believe that the cheapest deal Airbus will offer (same with Boeing) is the production costs for the planes (any other cost will be loaded on the other sold planes being manufactured) so this is no lost to Airbus but they gain because they know that Chicago/Seattle leaves the race with empty hands.

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