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Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Wed Oct 16, 2002 6:32 am

Starting February 14, United will begin daily year-round non-stop service from Denver (DEN) to Honolulu (HNL).

Monday through Friday, the flights will operate on a Boeing 767-300ER with 244 seats in the 2-class configuration.

The Saturday and Sunday flights which is currently running will continue to operate on the 348 seat 2-class 777-200s.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E33%257E926637%257E,00.html

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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Wed Oct 16, 2002 6:37 am

I think its a good thing. They should be using the 3 class First Suites though.

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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Wed Oct 16, 2002 6:38 am

Hey BA,

This is really great news as for UA were daily nonstop from DEN-HNL flight as for now And opreate on the B777 by Sat/Sun only with more than of 348 passengers goes on the aircraft. So I really very wonderful to hear as from United were doing very outstanding with the routes. So do you even need get more new nonstop anytime soon. Well, later!!

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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Wed Oct 16, 2002 8:14 am

I've heard there will be some Hawaii expansion from DEN in the coming year.

I think you will see OGG happen. Most probably seasonal, but possibly even year-round. Maybe on weekends it would be year-round, and during the winter season it will be daily. Who knows.

Saturday seasonal KOA service is coming up soon.

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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Wed Oct 16, 2002 8:42 am

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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Wed Oct 16, 2002 9:04 am

I agree... why not the three-class 767?
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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Wed Oct 16, 2002 9:13 am

Trickijedi,

United operates 2-class 767s and 777s to Hawaii simply because Hawaii is an extremely low-yielding market and the only way to make money, is by having lots of capacity.

Most passengers who fly to Hawaii are doing it for leisure purposes and not business purposes which means there is significantly less demand for the premium classes (First and Business).

Infact, what may possibly even be more profitable is a single-class 767. All Economy. I think a few of the major carriers such as CO, DL, and UA were considering it in the past.

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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Wed Oct 16, 2002 10:41 am

This should also take some pressure off LAX and SFO departures to HNL freeing up more seats to LAX/SFO from DEN.
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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Wed Oct 16, 2002 11:14 am

Here is the official press release from United:

http://www.united.com/press/detail/0,1442,50236,00.html

The flights are already in the schedules and bookings are being taken.

I would not be surprised to see some of the weekday flights or possibly all of them upgraded to a 777-200.

It's about time DEN-HNL operates as a daily service.

Supposidly Hawaiian has been interested in serving DEN from HNL, but with United launching daily service, I think this will discourage them.

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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Wed Oct 16, 2002 12:52 pm

actually it's to compete w/ Frontier's new A318megaER flight from Denver to Honolulu  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Thu Oct 17, 2002 7:54 am

There's another article in the Denver Post today about the new Hawaii service:

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E33%257E927507,00.html?search=filter

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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:05 am

I wouldn't think a 767-300 or 777 could take off with a full load of passengers and fuel from Maui's short 7,000 foot runway, NON-STOP to Denver, could it? I know OGG-LAX/SFO flights with these aircraft, are served on a regular basis. Do you think a NON-STOP DEN is pushing the limits from that runway? Just curious.
 
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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:10 am

John--
AA/TWA sends a 763 daily out of OGG both to DFW and STL nonstop. I think the planes have plenty of legs to make the trip to DEN out of 7000' feet.
 
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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:11 am

"Supposidly Hawaiian has been interested in serving DEN from HNL, but with United launching daily service, I think this will discourage them."

Even with these flights, I wouldn't be surprised if HA decides to go ahead and start their own DEN-HNL flights either on their own with the 763ER's or with a codeshare partner like CO or one of the other partner airlines. It is a well known fact that HA is looking to expand their route network further with the new 767's. I think the 767's in the new HA colors would look beautiful in DEN  Smile
 
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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:39 am

HA_DC9,

That is true. However, I don't think the market warrants 2 daily flights on 767s.

And United has a huge advantage over Hawaiian on the DEN-HNL market. For one, lots of loyal United Frequent Flyers in Denver, and of course PLENTY of connection opportunities to the rest of the United States.

I have heard that United wants to expand Hawaiian service from Denver.

A couple months ago they announced seasonal Saturday service to Kona (KOA), and now they announced daily service to Honolulu. I'm guessing OGG will be next, and it would be a logical choice.

Infact, I could see OGG operating daily for at least the winter season, and weekend service the rest of the year. Or possibly daily year-round service if they really want to compete with American Airlines from STL and DFW.

While business travel is down, the leisure market is doing very well. Infact, even better than last year.

This is why Frontier is starting service to Cancun and Mazatlan and why United is expanding Hawaii service.

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RE: Unitd Launching Daily Non-stop DEN-HNL Service

Thu Oct 17, 2002 11:23 am

Those 767 are not full of fuel, and the 777 isnt even close to full fuel load. The weight from fuel should not be a problem at all over in Maui to get off the runway.

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