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Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 2:28 am


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Iberia´s EC-GAG is Europe´s oldest 747 in regular service, more than 30 years old, still looking fresh here in Iberias vibrant livery. The aircraft is quite odd in the airline´s fleet because its about 10 years older than the rest.

Who knows how long it will be around still?
 
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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 4:10 am

I flew on this very aircraft in June from JFK to Madrid. It's the oldest aircraft in Iberia's fleet.
 
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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 4:44 am

Incredible..I think it's time for Iberia to get some new 747s...Nice with a bunch of 747-400QXLR....! Well one can only dream about that!
It's nice though to see an old bird like this kept in mint condition, they wont be around for much longer.

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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 6:52 am

EC-GAG is getting up their in hours and cycles... As of April 1 2002 totals were 96861 hours and 17323 cycles. However KLM / Lufthansa and Air France all have newer -200's and 300's that exceed EC-GAG totals.

For the record however I believe Air Atlanta Icelandic has the oldest B747's in Europe. TF-ATB and TF-ATF were both manufactured and in early 1971 and have a high of 107225 hours and 34620 cycles.


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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 7:01 am

Compare with the hours the cycle is very low. Will probably last for a good number of years.
 
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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 7:28 am

I'm sure this aircraft will continue to fly for a good number of years to come but just the thought of an aircraft having been in service for 30 years is still quite amazing!

JohnJ,

How did the interior look when you flew on it?
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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:09 am

The Iberia 747 in 30 years worth of service were originally purchased by them and never changed hands. They are the original owner and that is noteworthy as well.

Air Atlanta's 747's (BTW they also dry lease 747-300's to Iberia) have all been aquired used. (the planes noted were operated by JAL among others)
 
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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 9:15 am

BA and AF also flew their 747-100s into retirement. Both airlines sent their original 747 fleet into the great hereafter in about 2000. What a great, great aircraft.
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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 9:29 am

Trickijedi, the interior on EC-GAG didn't look bad at all. The seat fabric was light blue with some type of yellow pattern running through it. I'm sure the interior has been updated several times over the years. The seat pitch wasn't bad, and I got lucky in that people in front of me didn't recline their seats much. It had the older-style movie screens on the bulkhead vs. seatback monitors. The overhead bins were really small, though, which was a drawback. I remember the cavernous bins on my first 747 trip, a United -100 from IAD to SFO in 1997 or so. The interior on that plane, which was at that time probably equally as old as EC-GAG, looked brand new.

Interestingly, on my Europe trip this past June, we got EC-GAG in both directions, so I've actually flown on it twice. From JFK-MAD, it was my wife, my 8-month-old son, and I occupying a window row. From MAD-JFK, we had the same arrangement, but the other 14 members of my immediate family were also on the plane. I was disappointed in getting the plane both ways, instead hoping to get one of Iberia's leased Air Atlanta Icelandic 747-300s so I could add a new type to my list.

By the way, this plane's name is "Calderon de la Barca".
 
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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:52 am

Corsair just recently retired its 747-206B. With KLM, she was was PH-BUE, Rio de la Plata. I flew on her several times in the early 1970s, when she was relatively new (built 1971). She is being scrapped in Paris after more than three decades of faithful service.

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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:56 am

I think its TF-ATC. She was at Calgary Monday. Painted compleatly white and taking some British soliders home. Calgary barely ever gets 747 service and it was parked on the "B" Concouse side, which is great becuase then you can see it though the main windows  Smile. Hopefully she will be back
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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 5:17 pm

Hello,


I guess that's end of a cycle for quite a few 747-200s. If the traffic doesn't pick up, more and more will be withdrawn when airlines will cut on costs further. The cheap capital cost of these airframe is progressively mde up by the expansive maintenance requirements.


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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 5:26 pm

Aren't these 747's supossed to be replaced by the A340-600?
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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 6:03 pm

>>>It's nice though to see an old bird like this kept in mint condition,

Hmm, I don´t know. I once had the distinct displeasure of flying this


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bird in January 99. She was retired only six months later at the astonishing age of 32. And she was definitely NOT mint on the inside (to the contrary, I can assure you, to the contrary [*shudder*]).

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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 6:31 pm

What is the oldest 747 in service in the world?
 
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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:45 pm

Probably N830FT, delivered 01/09/1970 l/n 10 to Pan American and now in service as special freighter with Polar Air Cargo.
 
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RE: Europe´s Oldest 747, 30 Years Old

Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:58 am

I flew with Air Atlanta from MAN to HER on a 747-100, TF-ATE, which is over 30 years old (delivered 10/04/72) and thank god I only found out how old it was AFTER I got back!! The interior and exterior is in a really bad state!
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